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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by choward »

zero_deg_kevin wrote: post #889
blauditore wrote: post #772

So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…

No there are not good alternatives. Linux only makes sense as a desktop operating system if your top priority is telling people online that you use Linux as your desktop operating system.

This isn't true. I know this because I've been using Linux as my desktop operating system for years.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pgt »

toyg wrote: post #854
akudha wrote: post #822

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The point is, things like this should never happen in the first place. They are probably checking how far they can go, before it affects their bottom line.

I don't think they are "checking"; they've carefully planned a path and are slowly and meticulously executing on it. They have no intention to stop at any point. Should the money stop flowing, they'll just come up with a new gadget. To make them backtrack on the walled garden would take an extinction-threatening event that (unfortunately) will never be on the cards as long as nobody can seriously threaten the iPhone.

I’m not so sure. A handful of high-profile opinions + a few hundred low-brow peeps like myself calling out bad behaviour can have a noticeable impact on sales in the mid-term.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by SkyPuncher »

nvrspyx wrote: post #882
Spivak wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is already how it works. After the first check the result is cached and then it can verify locally.

This is how it worked . The point of the tweet and others' experience is that this is now happening for apps that have already been launched plenty of times before. This is why nothing other than Apple's programs would launch during the short time that the OCSP was down.

> this is now happening for apps that have already been launched plenty of times before.

Have they launched the same executable before, though?

I have a lot of automatic updates. I doubt week-to-week or day-to-day, even, the signature of the programs I run are the same.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by distalx »

areoform wrote: post #533
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

I came across this sometimes ago, I don't have any personal experience with their laptops but they seems promising.

https://starlabs.systems/pages/laptops

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by girvo »

areoform wrote: post #533
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

The Dell XPS line is my recommendation. But it’s not that much cheaper than the Mac equivalents

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by NexRebular »

miguelmota wrote: post #281
vishesh92 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Found another reason for me to not get a Mac

You can't go wrong with a ThinkPad. I switched from Mac to a T480 with Arch for dev work and it's been great.

Very true. Run FreeBSD and OpenBSD on Thinkpads at home and work and life's a peach...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kdtsh »

wheybags wrote: post #253
randmeerkat wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

System76 is pretty great and they have amazing customer support. Plus between ProtonDB / Lutris you can run pretty much anything you want that needed Windows before. https://system76.com/laptops

I use and love Linux, but come on man, that kind of statement does not help. Even with proton and friends, wine is not perfect. There will most likely be problems, and it's not a one to one transition. However, in my opinion, it is worth it, but there's no sense pretending there is no cost.

If you're willing to use Windows, honestly one of the better solutions today is to just run Windows 10 in a VM. It's even feasible to do this for video games with VFIO.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by brailsafe »

Tepix wrote: post #718

Imagine you are a software developer and want to learn about the boot process and implement your own bootloader. A popular exercise. You can't boot your self-written software on your "own" Apple Silicon Mac. There is no way to disable the locked down boot process. You may argue that it's still your computer and you can do what you want with it. You're wrong.

I've never heard of any software developer I know doing this, even the ones with deeper or more obscure knowledge, but do you have any interesting resources to point to?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by juliend2 »

nomel wrote: post #374
_qulr wrote: post #52

OCSP is Online Certificate Status Protocol. The connection to ocsp.apple.com is checking the status of the certificate used to code sign the launching app. I wrote an article about this a couple weeks ago because of the temporary revocation of HP's signing cert for printer drivers on the Mac: https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/revocation.html

So is checking for security certificates good or bad, now?

Since this check is currently done _unencrypted_ (as lapcatsoftware said in his post), I'd say it's objectively bad.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

sneak wrote: post #509
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

Even when it works right, it’s transmitting the apps that you use, as well as your timestamped coarse geolocation (from client IP) to Apple, which logs all of it. It’s good for city-level location. They know what times you're at home, and what apps you're using there. They know what times you're at work. They know what times you're tethered. They know when you travel, and to which cities. They know when you're on a f…

> Apple is a partner in the US military’s PRISM spying program, so this log is available to US military intelligence at any time without a warrant.

False

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