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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by boomboomsubban »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #830
boomboomsubban wrote: post #758

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it classify as hacking if the data had any encryption? Bypassing encryption to reach copyrighted media would be a DMCA violation if nothing else. No clue if any encryption was used though, and either way the doxxing restriction could stop it.

It's not hacking to decrypt your own data. The argument is, and the precedent set by law supports, that failure to pay for and retrieve the device after a set period of time transfers ownership. It's basically the legal grounds of "finders keepers"

That would still violate the DMCA where owning data isn't important.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by intended »

ausjke wrote: post #691
foolinaround wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Was this Twitter policy new as in the last few days? 2) If not, how did they treat the NYT's Trump tax papers ( clearly hacked from some sources, since it was not revealed). For all one knows, at the time of release, it could have been fake? 3) Does twitter/FB have processes to identify hacked material? For these reasons, @jack's explanation is not being accepted.

second this, twitter's bias did not start with the recent one, it has been a while, quite a while. facebook is no better, google search no better either. someone should be locked up, to avoid further tensions between two sides and who knows, maybe civil war or something alike. People can die because of its biased censorship.

I really hope someone reached out to the NDA protected people working at FB/twitter to establish exactly where the bias lies.

We know that despite loud voices arguing about conservative bias it is the opposite, that conservative voices get a pass.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ne...

The crowd tangle data shows conservative news being the most powerful when it comes to discussions, but Facebook is saying reach is not the same.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/02142744614/new-s...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Const-me wrote: post #913
giancarlostoro wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News has plenty of articles on the matter. Can you explain?

>> All US outlets other than FoxNews (obviously) > Fox News has plenty of articles on the matter Right. > Can you explain? Not 100% sure, but I think you wrote your reply without reading the complete comment you were replying to.

I read it, and it reads confusing so I asked for clarification, what is it you think I missed maybe I did miss some context that is implied but isn't so obvious to all readers (in this case myself).

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by swebs »

crazygringo wrote: post #379

> However, it is highly unusual for an article published by one of the mainstream popular newspapers to be treated in this way. That's a bit of a stretch. The NY Post is a tabloid [1]. Tabloids are technically newspapers, but they aim primarily to sensationalize [2]. Tabloids are nothing like the NY Times or Washington Post, which attempt to present objective, unbiased news. (Now you may argue that they fail at that…

>Tabloids are nothing like the NY Times or Washington Post, which attempt to present objective, unbiased news. (Now you may argue that they fail at that -- but they do profess at least to aim for it, while tabloids don't even try in the first place.)

Both of them are explicit about their support of Biden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_media_endorsements_in_the...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by walkingriver »

Maybe this is a naive take, but I don't see why platforms such as Facebook and Twitter bother. Just let the marketplace of ideas flourish. Isn't that ostensibly why they were created? Why put your thumb on the scale? In this case, they are inadvertently bringing more attention to the subject. How many more people are aware of the story now? Seems counter-productive.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by swebs »

delfinom wrote: post #766
frankzen wrote: post #760

They're a publisher that edits content, plain and simple. Take away the platform status and let them play by the same rules as other publishers.

You realize this helps them right? The tech companies now become engrained, they'll enact chinese style mass deletions of content, and nobody will be able to enter the market without a similar massive investment in heavy handed moderation.

>they'll enact chinese style mass deletions of content

They already do that.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by willis936 »

walkingriver wrote: post #935

Maybe this is a naive take, but I don't see why platforms such as Facebook and Twitter bother. Just let the marketplace of ideas flourish. Isn't that ostensibly why they were created? Why put your thumb on the scale? In this case, they are inadvertently bringing more attention to the subject. How many more people are aware of the story now? Seems counter-productive.

Putting their thumb on the scale is their business model.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by swebs »

andy_ppp wrote: post #474

Is Twitter down? I don’t know where to look to check if everyone can see if Twitter is down...

Are you using Firefox? There's been a bug affecting Twitter the past few days.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1665368

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by PhilosAccnting »

walkingriver wrote: post #935

Maybe this is a naive take, but I don't see why platforms such as Facebook and Twitter bother. Just let the marketplace of ideas flourish. Isn't that ostensibly why they were created? Why put your thumb on the scale? In this case, they are inadvertently bringing more attention to the subject. How many more people are aware of the story now? Seems counter-productive.

AXIOM: Inherent bias will always prevail, proportional to self-interest.

CONCLUSION: In this case, we know there's self-interest involved. Who, what, where, and why is relatively unknown to us, the pseudo-washed masses, so we must resort to our preconceived views.

And, naturally, FB/Twitter make good money on all these preconceived views, so there's something recursive here.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by CogitoCogito »

swebs wrote: post #934
crazygringo wrote: post #379

> However, it is highly unusual for an article published by one of the mainstream popular newspapers to be treated in this way. That's a bit of a stretch. The NY Post is a tabloid [1]. Tabloids are technically newspapers, but they aim primarily to sensationalize [2]. Tabloids are nothing like the NY Times or Washington Post, which attempt to present objective, unbiased news. (Now you may argue that they fail at that…

>Tabloids are nothing like the NY Times or Washington Post, which attempt to present objective, unbiased news. (Now you may argue that they fail at that -- but they do profess at least to aim for it, while tabloids don't even try in the first place.) Both of them are explicit about their support of Biden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_media_endorsements_in_the...

>> Tabloids are nothing like the NY Times or Washington Post, which attempt to present objective, unbiased news. (Now you may argue that they fail at that -- but they do profess at least to aim for it, while tabloids don't even try in the first place.)

> Both of them are explicit about their support of Biden.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_media_endorsements_in_the...

This doesn't really contradict crazygringo's statement.

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