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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by devin »

I bought one. If they hadn’t produced this I would have walked on Apple hardware. The only thing that is jaw dropping to me: the price tag.

I’m surprised to not see people talking about it in the comments. 3900 US without Apple care? Holy god. I bought the max spec or close to it in 2015 for 800+$ less. The differences are negligible, and then I spent an additional 200$ on dongles I don’t want. I’m probably not done. When all was said and done I spent 4600$ on this machine. I make my living on a computer and I need the pro part of the MacBook Pro, but it is still a really jaw dropping price for what it is.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by savoytruffle »

masukomi wrote: post #801
Reason077 wrote: post #347

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> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys." The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, t…

are you a touch typist? because lifting your hand, and repositioning it onto a grid of undifferentiated keys is MUCH harder when you can't feel the shape of the inverted T and can't see it (because you're not looking at the keyboard or because you're visually impaired).

Remember when Apple's keys had a dot on the D and K instead of a line on F and J?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by devin »

devin wrote: post #931

I bought one. If they hadn’t produced this I would have walked on Apple hardware. The only thing that is jaw dropping to me: the price tag. I’m surprised to not see people talking about it in the comments. 3900 US without Apple care? Holy god. I bought the max spec or close to it in 2015 for 800+$ less. The differences are negligible, and then I spent an additional 200$ on dongles I don’t want. I’m probably not done.…

Total difference in cost? ~1500$. That seems a ridiculous difference for modest hardware improvement and the requisite gaggle of adapters. I’m happy with the machine, but it’s probably 500$ more than what I would have been comfortable paying for the hardware. In the past I remember feeling like what I was getting was worth it. In this case I feel price gouged.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

crusso wrote: post #96
dashwav wrote: post #61

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The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.

I remapped caps lock to escape and it's been wonderful. The oversized caps lock key on keyboards is an inexplicably bad UI choice anyway.

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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mikewhy »

overgard wrote: post #915

How long until they walk back the touchbar though? I figure if it was useful to anyone it would be cloned by now. I cant imagine they're holding onto that feature for any other reason than to save face.

There have been multiple variations in other laptops. How successful they are, I can't comment on.

Screen in touchpad: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/p/asus-zenbook-14-ux434fl-ub...

Screen above keyboard: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/p/asus-zenbook-pro-duo-lapto...

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by unethical_ban »

meed wrote: post #902

As much as I appreciate Apple's U turn on the idiotic design of the butterfly keyboard switches, I still: - cannot even begin to understand why these things lack an important usability feature like MegSafe: there is really absolutely no reason why it cannot coexist with the ThunderBolt I/O (4 TB ports, one MegSafe: charge it however the heck you want). - find the presence of the castrated TouchBar an offense to users…

FWIW I just came up with the idea of a magsafe adapter for male and female USB-C, and it turns out it already exists for $23 on Amazon. I ordered one.

https://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Adapter-Connector-Quick-Char...

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pier25 »

m463 wrote: post #836
fermenflo wrote: post #808

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No, USB-C is a step in the right direction. It's superior in every way imaginable to USB. It can handle almost every type of transfer (data/power), its orientation-agnostic, it's slim, etc. I could list the pros for days. Having to deal with dongles for a couple years while the rest of the market catches up isn't a reason to push against the best port standard in decades.

I can't sum it up in any other way than to say it's a user-hostile decision. They should at a minumum have included a few choice dongles with the system. (usb-c to usb-a, and maybe usb-c to HDMI) Additionally, they should have completed the ecosystem too. a mac-to-mac upgrade requires a dizzying variety of dongles, where one firewire cable was all that was required in previous systems.

I still remember when the MBP included a VGA-DVI adapter and a remote control.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by isatty »

markus_zhang wrote: post #685
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

I have a question for you Mac users. Assuming that you don't treat the machine badly, no extra care (e.g. never open up to do maintenance), and have to carry it around half of the time. How long do you think a Macbook would last in average? For the Lenovo I'm using I'd say about 5 years because I break things so easily...it's reaching retirement.

Well with the older models you absolutely didn't have to worry about things breaking. I used and abused a 13" late 2012 model for about 4 years:

* Used it under direct sunlight (and I live in Singapore so it's both hot and humid) multiple times

* Took it out to sea on boats multiple times for testing robotics

* Dropped it on concrete accidentally

* Left it in dusty labs etc

It's display finally died after being splashed with rain water but the machine itself still boots to this day. Apple made them really well but I can't say the same about the newer models.

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