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Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by ignoramous »

Jwarder wrote: post #903
ignoramous wrote: post #442

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Cloudflare is committing itself to do as they are told by the governments, in the spirit of upholding the law [0] on govts' behalf (despite under no obligation to do so), if they deem fit. Whether this makes them reasonable, time will tell. Full marks to Cloudflare for so eloquently addressing this and covering themselves with as much grace as they could muster. If one reads between the lines, censorship is coming. T…

> still is a crime to be a minority in some countries. Do you have examples in mind? I have no doubt that this is the case, but I can't think of any examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Saudi_Arabia and in spirit, persecution is a world wide phenomenon.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by d0100 »

root_axis wrote: post #487
0x445442 wrote: post #186

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As long as they can be sued for liable the way any other publisher can I have no problem with them pulling 8chan. If they're going to selectively hide behind section 230 to promote their political agenda then I do, they can't have it both ways and I hope congress clamps down on this.

It is their prerogative to operate their business in a partisan fashion if that is their desire. If you don't like their business practices then you can protest, boycott, and spread the word.

This is very bad for minorities

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by Pigo »

foozed wrote: post #917
Pigo wrote: post #888

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Something tells me online Antifa resources won't be affected just because one of their members committed a horrible atrocity in Dayton, OH shortly after El Paso.

Don't know where you're getting this from. All sources i could find talk about a twitter account that _could_ belong to the Dayton, OH shooter, on which he _follows_ Antifa members. You gotta admit that's pretty far from the relation of 8chan to the El Paso shooter...

My point is that no matter how an insane person is affiliated, I don't agree with using them to win political points. As much as I believe Antifa is a dangerous (see Andy Ngo), and how dangerous it is for people like Shaun King to be trying to incite violence, I don't agree with using tragedy that way.

It's all but verified that the Dayton shooter was a fan of Elizabeth Warren, and active with Antifa. But the media isn't going to talk about how divisive it is declare the opposing side is running concentration camps, and basically modern Nazi. I'm actually glad they don't, but coming from the other direction it's non-stop.

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The downvote isn't supposed to be for a comment you disagree with, but for something that doesn't add to the conversation. Try writing a response instead.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by internet_user »

kelnos wrote: post #581
internet_user wrote: post #380

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Give it a bit more time, and anyone with two brain cells will be able to experiment with anthrax in their garage. What then?

So what? It'd still be illegal, and you do the same thing to disincentivize garage anthrax as you do with any other illegal act: the threat of prison.

Reminder: mass shootings are illegal.

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Post by MockObject »

pilif wrote: post #368
internet_user wrote: post #258

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Of course, the only bad speech is speech you personally dislike?

I feel that an easy rule to apply is that speech about hurting or even killing others is unambiguously bad speech Everything else is up for debate. But this single exception I hope every human being can agree on.

Can every human being agree that military recruitment ads are unambiguously bad speech?

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by deogeo »

nitwit005 wrote: post #275
deogeo wrote: post #98

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That they abandoned those principles due to PR pressure does not mean it was not about principles. I dislike such motivated, deceitful arguments.

You're arguing that their abandonment of their principles, was due to principles.

Not even close. I am arguing that they have principles, but compromised on them due to too high a cost.

What kind of tortured logic do you need to employ where one can only claim to have principles if they hold on to them no matter the cost?

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by dang »

blacklight86 wrote: post #525

What kind of free speech are we exactly advocating here? The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they'r…

Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN again.

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Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by ajross »

partiallypro wrote: post #878
ajross wrote: post #473

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The shooters in Poway, Christchurch and El Paso didn't post their screeds via Tor, and weren't radicalized on onion sites. They went to 8chan, because that was more easily understood, widely accessed, and had a larger community. It's the community that matters here, not the technology. The issue isn't whether or not it's possible for two nutjobs to converse in some way, obviously they can. It's whether or not there i…

Those communities will just be driven underground, more than likely, to Tor sites and be much harder to track. At least once 4Chan and 8Chan are pushed out.

They were pushed out of Reddit and 4chan already, and they didn't go to Tor. That seems somewhat pessimistic. Garden variety nutjobs aren't technical geniuses, they aren't going to head for "underground" sites, they'll just go silent for lack of a community.

Again, serious, professional white nationalist terrorists or whatever will always have clandestine means of communication. But potentially violent nutjobs are only likely to become violent when they get egged on by other nutjobs, and by reducing the size of the nutjob community we reduce the threat.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by dang »

kingkawn wrote: post #540
zimpenfish wrote: post #518

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> They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. "[...] the measures taken against ISIS were so extreme that, if applied to white supremacy, there would certainly be backlash, because algorithms would obviously flag content that has been tweeted by prominent Republicans—or, at the very least, their supporters." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-t...

White supremacist terrorism cannot be directly ideologically challenged by our present political system in America because it is the founding ideology of the country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Destroyer

Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar.

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