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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by infinite8s »

tptacek wrote: post #855
bassman9000 wrote: post #471

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Holy shit, no one has actually read the text. Why do I bother. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli... > (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards…

Can I be the first person here to point out that armed toddlers killed more people last year than extremists of any variety, and that the armed toddler threat becomes even more terrifying when you factor out right-wing extremists (who represent a significant fraction of terrorist murders in the US) and attacks from US citizens? 21 people are killed every year by armed toddlers, compared to 2 from foreign-born Islamic…

3 in 4 spouses of American citizens are LPR non-citizens?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by [deleted] »

foodFor1234 wrote: post #746
DanBC wrote: post #650

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I suck at slogans, but... "You like this service? Our founder came to the US in 19XX" "You enjoy this website? Here's a list of 2nd generation immigrants on our executive board" ...might get people to realise how much of the US economy is driven by 1st & 2nd generation immigrants.

That won't help change attutiudes. It will reinforce existing attitudes. "See! Immigration is good. These immigrants and their kids are building services!" "See! Immigrants are hiring other immigrants and their children to provide lower cost labor and networking out-of-country and locking us out of the market." If you want to change, you need a slogan like "American made, American owned, American labor." along with t…

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by hsod »

scrollaway wrote: post #329
467568985476 wrote: post #153

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This comment reeks of victim blaming. Nobody who voted for Trump and Pence should be allowed to escape being held accountable for what they support. If their "economic anxiety" was bad enough that they can ignore the rights of LGBT people and religious minorities, then they are all the more guilty. Those people were never centrists and knew exactly who they voted for.

You focus so much on holding people accountable rather than prevention. Lay off seeking justice for a while, try to seek order instead. Listen to why people voted Trump rather than call them all bigots and justify it with "they knew what they were getting into". As a european who truly despises Trump: This idea that you're too busy blaming people for being racist to spend time listening to them is honestly frightenin…

Your comment is eerily reminiscent of this quote from MLK's Letter From Birmingham Jail:

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by buyx »

MichaelGG wrote: post #922
buyx wrote: post #674

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Blocking a country is not racist. If the EO was "Persians are not allowed in" that'd be different. Indeed."Muslim" is not a race. Perhaps a better word would be "bigoted" or "discriminatory" not "racist"? If we are going to be splitting hairs: are Persians a race, or are they an ethnicity?

Where in the EO does Muslim come into play? And of course it's discriminatory! That's sort of, like, the whole point. All the existing immigration policies are discriminatory. That's why I (Canadian) can go basically anywhere, but someone from Central America can't.

Where in the EO does Muslim come into play?

So Trump campaigned on a promise to ban Muslims from entering the US. He then instituted a blanket ban on entry from 7 overwhelmingly Muslim countries. Are we splitting hairs again implying that these two things are a coincidence because the wording of the EO happened to avoid a blatantly unconstitutional formulation?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by nerfhammer »

ebfd wrote: post #799
nerfhammer wrote: post #789

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Have you ever met a Muslim in real life?

Yes of course, I live in the D.C. area. While most of the Muslims I've met have been perfectly nice folks, I don't consider my personal experiences with individuals to be the best way to evaluate groups.

You should try explaining your views to them!

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dgudkov »

US immigration policy became broken long time ago. Why the rage only now? I'm not a US citizen and entering the US used to be a major headache every time. Every freaking time. Nobody cared during Obama's time but now all of a sudden it's "time to take a stand". I suspect it's way more about the despise of Trump than real concern about the current state of US immigration policy.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Malician »

downandout wrote: post #544

I think that most Americans, even many Trump voters, disagree with this specific action. The problem we have now is that the left and the press have declared every single thing Trump has done both before and after the election as the worst thing that has ever befallen our nation. The press has left both Trump and the country tone-deaf. Donald Trump is a man extremely concerned with his popularity and public image. If…

I'm actively looking for things to praise. If he implements an effective carbon tax like Musk hopes, I'll be on the front lines cheering him.

Oh, I just heard that the Director of National Intelligence and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs were removed from regular National Security Council meetings to be replaced by.. Steve Bannon.

I really, really want Trump to start doing (some) good things so that I can cheer him, but it seems like every day is a new horror.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by lebanon_tn »

generic_user wrote: post #878
lebanon_tn wrote: post #161

I strongly encourage people who consider Donald Trump to be a threat to consider arming themselves in accordance with the 2nd Amendment. While my hope for the future does not involve needing to use them, if the situation one day comes to that, I would prefer that people who are indifferent to the actions of this administration NOT be the only ones with guns.

Make sure you also donate to the NRA and support Republican politicians who work tirelessly to protect your second amendment rights...

I generally do. We are a long way from an actual civil war. I am hoping the left is able to view the 2nd Amendment in a more positive light post-election, and hopefully moderate some of the more asinine manifestations of gun control put into place here in California.

If there is one thing about modern liberalism that boggles my mind, it is the simultaneous mistrust of police departments and the government in general, but also believing that ordinary citizens should not be allowed to own semi-automatic rifles. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by 3131s »

grzm wrote: post #830
nathanasmith wrote: post #372

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Fuck you too, buddy.

Regardless of how others are behaving, it's never okay on HN to express yourself this way. Please keep things civil and substantial, or refrain from commenting.

So, I very much agree with emehrkay, but you should probably deliver the same admonition to emehrkay for the way they chose to phrase their sentiment. "Fuck you" and "fuck them" are the same when you're one of the "them".

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by grzm »

3131s wrote: post #939
grzm wrote: post #830

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Regardless of how others are behaving, it's never okay on HN to express yourself this way. Please keep things civil and substantial, or refrain from commenting.

So, I very much agree with emehrkay, but you should probably deliver the same admonition to emehrkay for the way they chose to phrase their sentiment. "Fuck you" and "fuck them" are the same when you're one of the "them".

I agree, and would have if there hadn't already been a number of other comments calling them out for exactly that.
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