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Re: A Message to Our Customers

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No, I'm saying Apple shouldn't hand over their encryption keys. I'm saying the FBI should hand over the iPhone, and Apple hands back the files, but doesn't give them any hacked phone. In a paperless world, and unbreakable encryption, what is the point of warrants or regulations at all? If a company that say, committed crimes, financial or criminal, has a warrant served on them, what if the response is, "Hey, we'd lov…

> If a company that say, committed crimes, financial or criminal, has a warrant served on them, what if the response is, "Hey, we'd love to give you our emails, but all employees use end to end encryption, and every desktop has unbreakable filesystem crypto, and our IT department can't unlock anything, so you must compel the users to hand over keys?" Are you an American or Foreign? In the American constitution, the 5…

I'm aware of the 5th amendment, but prosecutors have worked around it and journalists have gone to jail to protect sources. http://www.rcfp.org/jailed-journalists

Consider the various ways to police crime:

1: Before the fact, preemptively. Active surveillance and-or entrapment. Widely criticized.

2. After the fact, forensic analysis. Previously, physical evidence collected, warrants for documents. In digital realm, foiled by cryptography. Attempts by government to restore status quo to pre-digital capabilities widely criticized.

3. Compulsion. Prosecutors lean hard on individuals with digital evidence to turn over materials. Runs afoul of 5th amendment and civil libertarians.

At least for many types of crime, especially white collar crime, this leaves the authorities almost no recourse. Your politicians can communicate securely with their paymasters, and receive untraceable payments over bitcoin. Although you may find HUMINT witnesses who can give you probable cause, there may be no way to obtain real evidence.

The Silk Road founder was only caught because of active surveillance, literally caught him with his computer unlocked. This would be like waiting for the San Bernardino killers to unlock their iPhone, and them seizing it before the auto-timer relocked the screen. Not exactly possible for all types of crimes.

Is active physical surveillance of suspects by the state any less creepy than digital warrants?

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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I think deleting something would be considered an active action. The trick with a canary is that you're choosing not to do something, so it can't compel you to act (as compared to, for example, telling you you can't delete the canary). So for it to work, you need to issue a statement every month that says you haven't been issued a NSL, and then simply not issue a statement the month you finally were issued a NSL. Tha…

Interestingly, if you accept that code can be copyrighted, and that only things that are expressions (speech) are eligible for copyright ("A copyrighted work must be an original work of authorship which is fixed in a tangible medium of expression"), then code == speech. So, by compelling Apple to code something that doesn't exist, the government would indeed actually be compelling speech.

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Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Techie question: if Apple can compile a neutered version of iOS to bypass encryption, why can't a hacker (or US govt nerd) at least in theory reverse engineer iOS and patch it accordingly?

(guess answer: iOS needs to be signed. So what they are really asking of Apple is to sign a lobotomized iOS image...)

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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> Interestingly, people usually don't want to be deposed when they have something to hide. That's a pretty... er, dubious claim at best?

I mean, it's an accurate statement. It's just also true that people usually don't want to be deposed even if they have nothing to hide. The "when they have something to hide" part is just superfluous.

It's not just superfluous, it changes the meaning of the statement. It's like saying "I like women when they aren't driving". You can't follow that up with, "oh, but I also like them when they are driving, so it's okay to say that".

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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A friend of mine at Apple reported multiple Black Vehicles (Lincoln Town Cars and Escalades) with at least one having MD License Plates at the Apple Executive Briefing Center this morning between 11AM and Noon. Occupants had ear pieces and sun glasses and were accompanied by a CHP (California Highway Patrol) cruiser and three motorcycle escorts. I suppose it's possible this was a quick (less than 1 hour) VIP stop but…

FYI the DOJ/FBI does not utilize Lincoln Town Cars or Escalades for ops. You'll want to keep an eye out for Chevy Impala, Ford Crown Victoria, Chevy Suburban, and in rarer cases Dodge Charger (no spoiler) and GMC Denali. Typically they're darker colors, but the easiest indicator is a massive amount of tint on all windows. Remember, official vehicles will have the default state license plates without any sort of bumper stickers or license plate holders. In Maryland, unmarked LE vehicles typically use an older license plate instead of the newer design.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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How can they simply "push an update"? I've never seen iOS auto-update without first prompting the user, which I'm assuming is a very intentional limitation.

Probably by using DFU, and uploading the image via the lightning cable.

Except that wipes the device.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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".. what this means is that even Apple can't break into an iPhone with a secure passphrase (10+ characters) and disabled Touch ID - which is hackable with a bit of effort to get your fingerprint." That is not exactly true. They wrote the OS, they designed the phone, they know where the JTAG connectors are. Cracking the phone apart and putting is logic board up on a debugger would likely enable them to bypass security…

>>> I am really glad that one of the most valuable companies in the world is drawing a bright line in the sand. So I really support Tim's position on this one. Tim's position today might not be apple's position tomorrow. Apple is a large publicly traded company. They owe a duty only to shareholders. Fighting this fight will probably impact the bottom line. Tim's continuation may turn on the outcome. Cooperation may s…

They owe a duty only to shareholders.

Because Freedom Markets(tm), booyah!

Society can bumble along just fine without corporations. Corporations serve society.

Take away society, with its culture, laws, rules, regulations, courts, people, economy, markets, capital, etc, there can be no corporations.

The Shareholder Fallacy http://www.salon.com/2012/04/04/the_shareholder_fallacy/

Historically, corporations were understood to be responsible to a complex web of constituencies, including employees, communities, society at large, suppliers and shareholders. But in the era of deregulation, the interests of shareholders began to trump all the others. How can we get corporations to recognize their responsibilities beyond this narrow focus? It begins in remembering that the philosophy of putting shareholder profits over all else is a matter of ideology which is not grounded in American law or tradition. In fact, it is no more than a dangerous fad.

The Myth of Profit Maximizing

“It is literally – literally – malfeasance for a corporation not to do everything it legally can to maximize its profits. That’s a corporation’s duty to its shareholders.”

Since this sentiment is so familiar, it may come as a surprise that it is factually incorrect: In reality, there is nothing in any U.S. statute, federal or state, that requires corporations to maximize their profits. More surprising still is that, in this instance, the untruth was not uttered as propaganda by a corporate lobbyist but presented as a fact of life by one of the leading lights of the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, Sen. Al Franken. Considering its source, Franken’s statement says less about the nature of a U.S. business corporation’s legal obligations – about which it simply misses the boat – than it does about the point to which laissez-faire ideology has wormed its way into the American mind.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#940
I hope apple employees + executives read this:

I am now officially, an Apple fanboy. That's right, I'm gloating to family and friends, about how Apple is standing up to the man, doing the right thing, and refusing to compromise their security.

Keep up the good fight.

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