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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by galfarragem »

noduerme wrote: post #899
teiferer wrote: post #794

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> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

Yeah... my solution for the last 3 decades (with a grain of salt) has been to buy the most expensive decked out Apple laptop every 6 years and never, ever update the OS. This is in line with my philosophy about shoes: I only own 5 copies of one pair (4 in boxes in my closet until I wear the current ones out). Rolling everything over to a new dev environment every 6 years is annoying but manageable. This way I took a…

I have an old laptop that is still usable because I never updated it from win7 or better I updated it once but switched back.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

#922

Post by sgerenser »

noduerme wrote: post #899
teiferer wrote: post #794

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

Yeah... my solution for the last 3 decades (with a grain of salt) has been to buy the most expensive decked out Apple laptop every 6 years and never, ever update the OS. This is in line with my philosophy about shoes: I only own 5 copies of one pair (4 in boxes in my closet until I wear the current ones out). Rolling everything over to a new dev environment every 6 years is annoying but manageable. This way I took a…

Surely you mean you don't update the major OS version, e.g. from Sequoia (15) to Tahoe (26)? Or do you literally mean if you start on Sequoia 15.0, you stay on 15.0 the entire life of the machine? The former is fairly understandable, but the latter is just insane considering the number of bugs in a x.0 release (including severe security and usability issues).

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by branko_d »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #891
teiferer wrote: post #794

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

> But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. As the old saying goes what Intel giveth the Microsoft taketh away.

What Andy (Grove) giveth, Bill (Gates) taketh away.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

#924

Post by s777 »

whoiskazar wrote: post #854
alluro2 wrote: post #527

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

you can easily install some linux distros on macbook. and from my experience, my macbook with m4 pro runs better than laptops with intel u7 and u9, which I use at work.

Even M3 doesn't have GPU support yet last I checked

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by BirAdam »

mrtksn wrote: post #16

Apple Studio with maxed out M5 Ultra, 256GB RAM and 16TB storage is 18,299$. The 512GB RAM version apparently is coming in October, considering that the difference between 96GB and 256GB is priced at 4000$, the 512GB upgrade must be eye watering. So, on the mini the RAM upgrade runs at 25$ per GB on all tiers, the same as the Studio therefore the upgrade to 512 will probably cost 6400$. The fully maxed out Apple Stud…

I recently had to buy RAM for some on-prem servers at work. 256GB was around $3800, and it wasn't even particularly fast RAM... it also wasn't ECC, because that would have spiked the price still higher.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by BirAdam »

foltik wrote: post #756
nomel wrote: post #583

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> but the closed software ecosystem There's aren't really any alternative OS [1], but I don't think it's fair to say there's a closed software ecosystem. You can install/compile/run whatever you want, including kernel extensions. The hardware isn't locked. [1] Hardware isn't locked: https://asahilinux.org/about/ > Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon Macs without a jailbreak! This isn’t a hac…

It’s barely a “feature” that they let you execute arbitrary code on your own hardware. They don’t provide any source code or documentation (which they easily could) so if want to do literally anything with your “open” device you must first reverse engineer the entire MacOS driver stack like the Asahi project did. Great fun, but it’s a criminal waste of incredibly talented engineer hours. On top of that, the reason As…

Give IBM some time, and there will likely be similar stuff on Linux distributions. The Linux kernel has been dropping hardware support, and systemd has been getting some... interesting features.

Naturally, the benefit for Linux is still the variety available in distributions. While IBM's RHEL and Canonical's Ubuntu may adopt some questionable stuff, Slackware, Devuan, Omarchy, and such likely won't.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by s777 »

wolfpack_mick wrote: post #839
ardit33 wrote: post #570

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I still use my M1 Pro Macbook... for iOS development. It still works amazing well, and the battery still is holding strong. For large apps, compiling can be a tad slow, but for medium and small apps it still works amazingly well. Eventually I will upgrade, but for me the M1 Pro Macbook (14") has to be the best computer of the last two decades. Before that, I had the butterfly Intel version, and that was a disaster. A…

My 14" M1 Pro out of nowhere just died on me in May after 3 years and 11 months. 'Bad luck' was the verdict of the Apple store. This never happened to me since my first G4 tower. I now have the M5 Pro since i'm stuck in the ecosystem, but i'm still a little spooked.

My M1 Air also died out of nowhere after 4 years

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by [deleted] »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #891
teiferer wrote: post #794

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

> But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. As the old saying goes what Intel giveth the Microsoft taketh away.

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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by BirAdam »

So many people talk about wanting Linux on Apple Silicon, and while Asahi can run on M1/M2 and has some support on M3, it's not optimal. Also, software quality in Linux, while higher than most alternatives, has been trending downward. I am more eager to have NetBSD's Apple Silicon support improve than I am Linux's.

https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/evbarm/apple/

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