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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by zelphirkalt »

rukuu001 wrote: post #276
overfeed wrote: post #90

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OpenAI also has infinite money, and the graph for money/lawyering gets clamped well below what OpenAI can afford. It's going to end most other corporate courtroom tangles: with an undisclosed settlement and a well-publicized partnership.

> OpenAI also has infinite money And an infinite money-eating bonfire

At business schools they should introduce Hilbert's infinite money burning bonfire. How can an infinite cash supply still be burned, when an infinite amount of money is already burning?

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Post by pdpi »

danudey wrote: post #877
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while i somewhat agree with that reasoning, it can go too far - most people would murder and kill if there weren't any consequences to doing so. But is it right to say who they really are as being murderers?

> most people would murder and kill if there weren't any consequences to doing so This is what Christians tell themselves and others to explain why believing in their religion is so important, but it's not even remotely true. Humans evolved community and society long before we evolved organized religion. I constantly see Christians pitching this like some kind of gotcha: "If you don't believe in God, then how do you…

It's especially interesting when you consider that doing the Right Thing despite the consequences (like when challenging a tyrant) is seen as heroic. The logical consequence is that, if you view God as the ultimate tyrant, challenging him is supremely heroic.

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Post by bastardoperator »

WalterBright wrote: post #906
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> The Reagan-era "greed is good" thing never really died here (among other places). "Greed is good" is the MO everywhere on the planet now. Everyone I know in EU is trying to cash in as much as they can while the going is still good because they feel the ladder constantly being pulled from them (layoffs and wage stagnation everywhere, housing costs massively outpacing wage growth, etc). Either from scamming their com…

The growth of the welfare state sucks the life out of the economy.

Agreed, we are giving an absolute load of welfare to billionaires. From tax breaks to bailouts, and to your point, it's sucking the life out of the American economy.

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Post by rafram »

NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #776
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I’ve been seeing this “high-trust society” dog whistle a lot lately, and I think it’s one of the funniest of its kind. You truly want me to believe that the United States, a country with a history of slavery and segregation, a country that went through a historical period dominated by people literally called “robber barons,” was a high-trust society before immigrants from less industrialized places came and ruined th…

Your claims are a Marxist dog whistle.

Been a while since I’ve heard “Marxist” used that way.

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Post by nullbio »

anematode wrote: post #909
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I’ve seen an uptick in these types of comment on HN - vague ominous sounding attacks on Anthropic. It honestly seems like a coordinated PR effort from OpenAI folks to “both sides” the companies. Which would, if true, be a further indictment of the culture at OpenAI.

As someone who has no dog in this race (er, well, I'd like to see both companies crumble!), I think this is a natural response to Anthropic's paternalism, which has always been there but has lately been much more apparent.

Yep. Can confirm I do not work for OpenAI. Anthropic does all of this terrible shit and the first instinct of this guy is to assume anyone who calls it out works for OpenAI. Hilarious. Let me uno reverse it, he must work for Anthropic hence his defensiveness!

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Post by nullbio »

meken wrote: post #659
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This is a drop in the ocean compared to what Anthropic does behind closed doors.

I’ve seen an uptick in these types of comment on HN - vague ominous sounding attacks on Anthropic. It honestly seems like a coordinated PR effort from OpenAI folks to “both sides” the companies. Which would, if true, be a further indictment of the culture at OpenAI.

You sound like a cigarette company rep.

"I've seen an uptick in vague ominous attacks on Marlboro saying that our products kill people.

This must be a coordinated PR effort from ."

Or perhaps, Anthropic is a dangerous company and people have a duty to call it out? Trust me when I say you don't want to live in a world where they win the AI race (if that wasn't already blatantly obvious).

Here's a nice little list of some of their most recent hits: https://clawd.rip

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Post by nullbio »

angulardragon03 wrote: post #865
frenchtoast8 wrote: post #737

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Only for Opus etc. For “Fable 5, Mythos 5, and future models on Bedrock with similar or higher capability levels,” your usage data is retained for 30 days and shared with Anthropic which you can’t opt out of.

This is why we don’t use Mythos/Fable-series models at $WORK (hosted on Vertex).

Playing with fire.

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Post by nullbio »

azinman2 wrote: post #855
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It's exactly what you've said. I'm speaking about Anthropic though, I have no idea whether OpenAI does it. > Anthropic agrees that Customer (a) retains all rights to its Inputs, and (b) owns its Outputs. Anthropic disclaims any rights it receives to the Customer Content under these Terms. Subject to Customer’s compliance with these Terms, Anthropic hereby assigns to Customer its right, title and interest (if any) in…

Just to be clear, you’re speculating, right? They could also not be doing this.

Just to be clear, this is not speculation, it is fact.

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #820
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #433

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Intelligence is actually extremely general and transferrable - IQ measures meta skills and ability that predicts success in a plethora of areas. If you don’t believe in IQ consider agency and conscientiousness

No, stupidity is very general. The statistical association between different areas of ability, which is reified in the concept of IQ, is because people who are bad at one thing are bad at everything. The Stanford-Binet test was developed as a way to measure mental disability, not giftedness. (Einstein would have had an unexceptional score on an IQ test, had he ever taken one. His schoolteachers thought him destined f…

I mostly agree and I don’t think you are contradicting my claim.

> stupidity is very general

So then what do you call the general ability of the absence of stupidity?

Einstein does have a high IQ.

> Expertise is a combination of knowledge and ability

Yes expertise is not the same as intelligence.

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