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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by kahrl »

mmooss wrote: post #159
kahrl wrote: post #80

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ZERO. ZERO developers who don’t comply will make a living selling applications and services to the general public.

I agree; I expect that's already true? In the GP I'm talking about people releasing FOSS and similar projects.

I'm actually working on a project that targets dual screen android handhelds. It will be kickstarted with a free demo. Android side-loading is the ONLY way to deliver that application to backers. I'll need to go thru Google's developer surveillance process (but u right, I already was going to because the demo and the full release will also be in the Play store.)

Oh and to answer your question about B2B iPhone apps, YES. Not my department at my last job but i know the application needed to go thru apple approval process and app store distribution. And it was difficult to keep in sync with a back-end on its own release schedule. That's why I'm pretty sure everything ended up getting turned into some sort of web view.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by cryptonym »

literalAardvark wrote: post #792
cryptonym wrote: post #731

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I miss data to confirm any of this does significantly improve security. Anecdata: I have yet to meet someone who have been targeted by unknowingly side-loading apps. If they really want to improve security they can work on much more impactful changes. I know people having been scammed by ads proudly delivered by instagram and google. I read about malicious apps that somehow went through official store filtering.

They're doing good work on those fronts as well, but in war you don't win all the battles. It's also especially difficult to tighten security in the direction your money is coming from. Android has no such constraints

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fsflover »

busssard wrote: post #791
palata wrote: post #770

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I feel like you missed my point. I am fighting for the 100% (and you are not, as you say). We should all own our devices, and owning a device means that we can install whatever OS we want on it. The beauty of it being that if you can install whatever OS you want on it, then the problem raised by the article does not exist anymore. Today, if you own a Pixel, you can just install GrapheneOS and it will mostly work. Why…

well if in the 10year future new OS are as easy installed as apps now, maybe. But that future is far off. Getting my grandma to install NewPipe is easier if Fdroid works on her phone, than to get her to install the new totallyFLOSS-OS

Installing my OS as an app on top a spying [0] Google/Apple walled garden? No, thanks. Only bare-metal installation makes sense for the freedom of computing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fsflover »

TommyTran732 wrote: post #878
fsflover wrote: post #862

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I'm tired of arguing with you. I see no effort from your side to come to some understanding or to clarify anything. Here's why. > On the Librem laptop, the tampering is done by PureBoot What do you mean by "tampering" here? Is uploading firmware to peripherals a "tampering"? Why is this a problem, compared with other devices? Does anybof those blobs run on the CPU? I don't understand what you are trying to say. > If…

> I see no effort from your side to come to some understanding or to clarify anything. Accusing me of your own sins. > What do you mean by "tampering" here? Is uploading firmware to peripherals a "tampering"? Why is this a problem, compared with other devices? Does anybof those blobs run on the CPU? I don't understand what you are trying to say. On the laptop, messing with the system memory (/run) and dumping firmwar…

> This makes about as much sense as if I were to take the SSD out of my laptop, destroy the M.2 socket, then advertise it as a "storage free and OS free laptop".

I like your comparison and I agree that it doesn't make much sense technically. However it also doesn't make the Librem 5 less secure or usable, too. Also, it brings people's attention to the problem of non-free software, which it seems you completely neglect. In short, this is more good than bad. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25504641

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by mosstone »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #120
gowld wrote: post #103

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> Millions chose Android for exactly that reason. Millions? Are you sure? Even so, Android has billions of users who want secure app management by default.

Don't buy the FUD claiming this is about "secure app management".

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by mosstone »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #120
gowld wrote: post #103

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> Millions chose Android for exactly that reason. Millions? Are you sure? Even so, Android has billions of users who want secure app management by default.

Don't buy the FUD claiming this is about "secure app management".

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by noduerme »

tnelsond4 wrote: post #469
latexr wrote: post #321

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Doesn’t that require you to host it and have it available on the open web, though? Is there a host that allows you to, for free, not only HTML/CSS/JS but also access to arbitrary tools and bespoke scripts on the backend?

I host my app on GitHub pages for free. But yes, it's just static which is really all you need with how powerful wasm and JavaScript are.

That's true for most things where you don't need users to share or collaborate on updated data. But if you need so much as a highscore board for your casual javascript game, you need some kind of backend. The parent's assumption that it should be totally free to run arbitrary server code somewhere is mildly ridiculous.
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