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4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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> What were these 'several countries'? Iran? Cuba? North Korea? It doesn't matter which those were, we were obliged to respect laws of the European country we were incorporated, not US ones.

You're serving US customers. You are doing business in the US, and therefore you are subject to US law. What about when a customer requests a refund, do you just pretend US consumer protection laws don't apply to that customer? Or to turn your logic around, can American corporations do business in Europe while just completely ignoring the GDPR and all other European laws? Laws are not a buffet. You choose to do busin…

> US consumer protection laws

Bahahaha. Good one! Let's be real, consumer protection laws might as well not exist for Americans.

Before the "well akshually"s - Do they exist? Yes. Are they enforced? Barely, if at all. Do you have any hope of recourse if they're ignored? Nope! Are they being ripped to shreds by the current government in real time right this very minute? You betcha.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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post #810

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The US regime is changing with the next presidential election regardless of the outcome (or lack thereof) of this war. Short of a nuclear exchange or China invading Taiwan or San Francisco, nothing is changing that.

Trump's private army taking guard outside the white house with the new military-grade defensive ballroom might change matters. Who exactly is going to force him to leave?

Relying on defensive structures to protect you hasn't been a viable strategy since the invention of gunpowder.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Not so clear cut though is it. For example, does 4chan use a CDN? And is that CDN on UK/EU soil, serving this content? Therefore they're actually transacting that business on UK/EU soil. Didn't the US use this argument to prosecute and extradite the Mega founder? I wonder if the UK/EU will reverse uno the US's stance and start extraditions on US CEOs.

> Didn't the US use this argument to prosecute and extradite the Mega founder? The extradition has succeeded so far because it's based on acts that would have met a criminal bar in New Zealand, and deemed to have a high likelihood of being successfully prosecuted. Fraud, copyright infringement, etc. The US has standing because many MegaUpload servers were in the US.

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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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> the leadership is banned from entering the UK for the foreseeable future Not at all. But if they do enter, they might find difficulty leaving.

They haven't pierced the corporate veil as far as I can tell - it's not moot or any other executives that have been personally fined. Also as far as I'm aware the UK doesn't have debtors jail.

moot doesn't own or run 4chan anymore. The current owner and admin is Japanese, residing in Paris at this time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Nishimura

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

#925
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What about it?

If they can't undo the site at the tld level, the US can still compel the DNS servers nearby to erase their record, or redirect it to a "this domain is seized" page. In extremis. they could just poison the DNS addresses of blocked websites although they dot need to.

If the DNS is located in the US then they have to comply with US law.

My point was just "the US seizing websites hosted outside of the US without that country's cooperation" simply doesn't happen because there's no way for it to happen.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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post #339

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Okay, here goes. You can tell when someone is acting in bad faith when they talk about a law that has been in force and enforced since the 1960s is something new. Of course, "touch grass" works just as well.

Does it?

Yup

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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post #339

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Okay, here goes. You can tell when someone is acting in bad faith when they talk about a law that has been in force and enforced since the 1960s is something new. Of course, "touch grass" works just as well.

Laws can be in existence for decades before they are weaponized against people. It's illegal to have most eBay/Amazon bulbs on your car because they are not DOT approved. If someday they start impounding cars crossing state borders with light bars, fog lights, and LEDs of races they don't want in that state... Someone like you will say "you're just making stuff up, that law has been on effect since 1961."

And do you have statistical evidence to back up your claim of increased enforcement, or are you just reading about it in the Daily Mail?

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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post #364

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Can you elaborate? The metaphor is a good description of how a VPN works, if not plain old TCP/IP.

IP packets have the source address in them so you can directly reply. It's not hierarchical.

Sure, but a VPN makes it hierarchical by rewriting packets.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Haven’t you considered that the fact you were exposed to these things made you who you are today am able to say that with conviction. If you had been shielded from the reality on human extremism you would not.

Vouched, because this was going to be my counterpoint as someone who had the same circumstances as the grandparent. Despite the enormously heinous stuff I've seen on that site, it has made me a better writer, developed my critical thinking skills, and given me a perspective on the world and its people that wouldn't have existed without. It also introduced me to many different things and developed my taste beyond meas…

I missed you guys. Coming back to my initial comment a few days later to see many of my same thoughts echoed. Hope you’re doing alright out here.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

#930
post #558

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Of course, because they're not proposing "apply our laws in our country" they are proposing "apply our laws in another country". If you want to enforce this law you need to do it the CCP way (punish your ISPs for alllowing it into the country and monitor your citizens for accessing it) because you don't have the jurisdiction to enforce it otherwise. Let's not forget how many UK criminals have made fun of Kim Jong Un'…

Why should it be done that way? If a country has media or broadcast standards laws, and you distribute or broadcast content in that country that violates those laws, that’s on you. The country can just fine you if you chose not to comply. Just the same as they would if you were doing it while living in that country. You’re not obliged to care about the fine if you don’t live there and never intend to travel there. Bu…

It should be done that way because nominally the law is supposed to address a serious problem (supposedly protecting kids) as they justify that as the reason for an invasion of privacy and additional business regulations. Ignoring the reality of what the internet is and passing a law that clearly won't achieve it's stated goals but has serious drawbacks that will be enacted is not good governance, at best it's showboating at worst it's a deliberate step towards an Orwellian panopticon.
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