And for anybody that didn't see this coming somehow, a planned four day operation has now turned into a 4 weeks long one. [1] Want to guess what happens in 4 weeks?
[1] - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-military-...
Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#922Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has there been a regime which has collapsed due to an external strike like this where it hasn't resulted in some decades long civil war nightmare? I can't think of any time when bombing the shit out of a country and killing their leader has actually worked. All I can think of is examples of blowback.
> I can't think of any time when bombing the shit out of a country and killing their leader has actually worked. Japan? Although their leader wasn't killed, but same logic. The more civilized a country is the easier it is to reform them into a good state, and Iran is a pretty civilized and structured nation, the dictatorship is the main issue. Most people in Iran want a democracy and are capable of running it, you ju…
Yes, this is an underrated point and why I’m holding out hope for a positive outcome. I’m convinced that, before the revolution, Iran was on the same trajectory as European monarchies that had become democracies. At that point, countries like Denmark had been democracies for less than 75 years.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#923The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!
I'm not sure that Iranians in Berlin holding signs written in English are necessarily widely representative, nor entirely organic. Here's a comparable scene of what's going on in Iran for mourners of Ali Khamenei: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QQMGijEMJfc
I'm not saying this to be argumentative. I do not know what the "real" internal state of is in Iran in terms of support/opposition for their leadership, and I don't think there is anyway to find out this information. Our media will lie, and so will theirs. And people themselves will also lie, and not even necessarily intentionally. Imagine polling Americans (let alone expats long since removed from America) on what percent of Americans they think support Trump without knowledge of polls/votes to inform them.
As a result I think most of all media along these lines is much more likely to mislead rather than inform.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#924Earlier quoted context omitted.
Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control. I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.
Has there been a regime which has collapsed due to an external strike like this where it hasn't resulted in some decades long civil war nightmare? I can't think of any time when bombing the shit out of a country and killing their leader has actually worked. All I can think of is examples of blowback.
> Has there been a regime which has collapsed due to an external strike like this where it hasn't resulted in some decades long civil war nightmare?
The US operation to depose the dictator of Panama in 1989 is one example.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#925I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.
Sounds like you should report them to the fbi then
You seem to have misread my comment.
None of the people I know and have spoken to are capable of or even thinking of violent retaliation.
I am extrapolating from their sentiments that someone out there will be moved to violence.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#926Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I am not muslim. Every single muslim, whether devout, practicing, lapsed or whatever, knows whether they are/were Sunni or Shia. They are literally born into it. It determines who is seen as the authority in matters of their faith, the way they pray, the sites they consider holy, the religious days they observe. Even Ramadan starts and ends on different days depending on which you are. It's such a fundamental thi…
I don't know much about Islam, but what's being described isn't uncommon for lapsed Christians. I know plenty of people in my orbit (including me) who went to mass on Christmas Eve and Easter as children, but literally wouldn't be able to answer if the curch they went to was Catholic or Protestant.
The difference between Islam and Christianity on this is so stark that I am trying so hard to not respond in a rude manner and tell people to read a book or something.
It's like if you didn't know a single thing about Mandarin but insisted on making claims about its grammatical rules because you know English grammar.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#927Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that the US should appease Muslim ideology, under threat of terror?
> Muslim idealogy If you can't differentiate muslims from islamists you can probably keep your comments for yourself...
If you can not recognise that Muslims overwhelmingly support Islamist extremists, then maybe you should not tell others who have quite the experience in the matter, to keep their comments to themselves.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#928I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.
Well that's an awfully Islamophobic take. Never has a condition been so aptly named. This morning's terror attack in Austin was perpetuated by one wearing a "property of Allah" shirt. The world need not continue to live with and accept Islamic barbarism, and the people of the US will not bend to the sword of the Mullahs or your Shia coworkers.
People are what they are.
You can take the information I have provided into consideration when you build your internal worldview or you can ignore it.
There is no call to action here. It's just data.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#929Two aircraft carriers just to kill an 86 years old man in a democratic way 10000 km home away as proof of the empire sunset
That's one way to put it. Another view can be: ending a 36 years long autoritarian, human rights infriging, regime with very few casualities.
It was never about human rights. Bibi gets to do genocide and we supply the weapons to make it happen.
khamenei being a piece of shit is pure coincidence. If he was a nice guy he'd be equally dead right now.
This feels very much like a "mission accomplished" moment. Nobody knows what the future holds. Highly likely it gets worse.
Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule
#930Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.
It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years
If Israel & the US prevail, Israel will treat Iran as the do their other neighbors, bombing them whenever they feel like it and murdering your relatives there. Take a look at Syria where they installed the head of Al-Qaeda/HTS. The IDF has carried out 600 attacks there since 2024 till present. They have attacked the following areas since 2023: Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Syria & Yemen.