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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by antonvs »

hirako2000 wrote: post #549
johnfn wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writeup here[1] was pretty clear to me. > *Isn’t it unreasonable for Anthropic to suddenly set terms in their contract?* The terms were in the original contract, which the Pentagon agreed to. It’s the Pentagon who’s trying to break the original contract and unilaterally change the terms, not Anthropic. > *Doesn’t the Pentagon have a right to sign or not sign any contract they choose?* Yes. Anthropic is the one sa…

It isn't about commercial agreements, it's about patriotism. The national industry is supposed to submit to the military's wishes to the extent that they get compensated. Here it's a question or virtue. The Pentagon feels it isn't Anthropic to set boundaries as to how their tech is used (for defense) since it can't force its will, then it bans doing business with them.

What's your definition of "patriotism" and why do private companies need to be "patriotic"? How do you reconcile this with the Constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech, freedom of association, and so on?

The US isn't Iran, North Korea, or even China, as much as some people, including the US president, seem want to emulate those models.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by nijave »

pohl wrote: post #805
_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

Contract law will certainly be a casualty once Rule of Law has completely been broken. I don’t understand why the business sector isn’t pushing back more. Surely they must all know that the legal legal context itself, within which they all operate, is at mortal risk and that Business as Usual will vanish once autocratic capture is complete.

They still think they can bribe their way out

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by ajam1507 »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #882
ajam1507 wrote: post #869

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's extremely common to release negative news on Friday after the markets close. It happens nearly every Friday.

Is there a reason that is done, beyond just tradition? I’m genuinely very curious whether there’s a positive, negative, or negligible impact on economic decision making

There are several reasons. Most obviously it's because the markets are closed which keeps immediate panic from affecting stock prices. It's also at the start of the weekend so the idea is that people might be more focused on weekend activities instead of the news. Also, news coverage on the weekend is often reheated stories written during the week meaning that a Friday story is less likely to get picked up.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by Zak »

mustardo wrote: post #854
gentleman11 wrote: post #742

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse

In an interview with Zelinsky Trump asks "why haven't you had an election? " Zelensky : "because we are at war" you can see the idea percolating then. People think I'm a nutter for suggesting there just won't be another election but that's where my money is. I'm waiting for his version of the Gestapo, ICE seems to be a proving ground

An important detail here is that Ukraine's constitution says they can't have an election while they're at war. The US constitution does not say that, and the USA has had elections during wars several times.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by 8note »

dminik wrote: post #179

AI proponents have been very vocal about AI safety being meaningless. But nobody could have expected that the end of the world would have come because Trump puts Grok in charge of the US nuclear arsenal. We truly live in the dumbest timeline.

well, plenty of reddit comments prefer using dirty bombs over nukes, so id expect a change to how those bombs work.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by s3p »

prpl wrote: post #314
easton wrote: post #24

> Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. I’m sure the lawyers just got paged, but does this mean the hyperscalers (AWS, GCP) can’t resell Claude anymore to US companies that aren’t doing business with the DoD? That’s rough.

Probably yes. Additionally the (probably more for AWS) won't be allowed to use it internally either. This will probably apply to all the top SaaS/software companies unilaterally. Additionally, every major university will undoubtedly have to terminate the use of Claude. First on the list will be universities that run labs under DOD contracts (e.g. MIT, Princeton, JHU), DOE contracts (Stanford, University of California…

It was confirmed by the Anthropic CEO that contractors can still use Claude for non-defense work.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by 8note »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #334
thewebguyd wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it cannot allow private companies to control the use of military equipment. The big difference here is that Claude is not military equipment. It's a public, general purpose model. The terms of use/service were part of the contract with the DoD. The DoD is trying to forcibly alter the deal, and Anthropic is 100% in the clear to say "no, a contract is a contract, suck it up buttercup." We aren't talking about Lockhee…

So what your saying is it should be removed from the military supply chain?

i dont think any of the big ai companies or any of the sota models should be in a kill chain

i as a foreign citizen get to have hard to detect influence over the model because it scraped tons and tons of my internet comments.

if youre going to have a supply chain, it needs to include where the trainjng data is sourced from and who can contribute to it

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by phendrenad2 »

owenthejumper wrote: post #288

I got downvoted for this in the other thread, but this is basically an attempt at bankrupting Anthropic. No US company has ever been designated a supply chain risk, and the foreign companies that are on that list are now doing 0 business in the US. Very large portion of the US economy relies on some contracts with the US government, Anthropic cannot survive this if this holds. I don't think it will hold, in the end t…

This was basically what Marc Andreessen said - allegedly he was told by some high-up government officials something like: they were going to pick winners and losers in the AI race, and it would be a bad idea to try to compete in that market. It seems like the election of Trump has only changed the criteria for being a winner.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by tclancy »

nemo44x wrote: post #382
tclancy wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the mob. This is nothing more than, “Nice AI ya got here. Be a shame if sometin’ wuz to happen to it.”

Except that it’s sovereign.

Let us sit upon the ground, and tell sad stories of the death of kings.

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Post by raincole »

Someone1234 wrote: post #53

Topics like this are where I struggle with HN philosophy. Normally avoiding politics and ideology where possible, created higher quality and more interesting discussions. But how do you even begin to discuss that Tweet or this topic without talking about ideology and to contextualize this with other seemingly unrelated things currently going on in the US? I genuinely don't think I'm conversationally agile enough to b…

I don't know which HN you have been using so far, but this particular site discusses politics all the time when it comes to Trump administration.
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