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Re: Layoffs at Block

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Ironically Square isn’t good at anything in particular. Square fails to have a good point of sale (Toast wins) and fails for online store fronts (Shopify wins). Square is in a position where they spread themselves thin and aren’t at the top of anything in particular.

Basically… no vision. Yeah they’re going nowhere in the long term.

> no vision

Jack's trademark it seems.

Re: Layoffs at Block

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To anyone who's been looking for SWE jobs lately, has this been your experience?

Started looking in November, four offers by end of January, all decent, last two competing offers were fantastic with great companies and I accepted one. Past few months and even now I’ve had more inbounds from recruiters than any time since Covid boom. Offer salaries aren’t as high as Covid boom days but there are a ton of startups that need people.

How was the interview process? If you don't mind me asking

Re: Layoffs at Block

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> I'm convinced that these "AI Layoffs" are these companies trying to save face from the absurd overhiring that they did in 2022 and 2023 because apparently they thought that these no-interest loans/free money would just last forever. Partially. The first nail in the coffin was the change in assumptions around output. Before 2023, there was an assumption that more bodies means more output. After the massive X/Twitter…

The Twitter layoffs being used as proof of _anything_ is misguided no matter what you're trying to say. If success is losing half their revenue, reverting to revenue numbers from a decade ago, I gotta know what failure looks like. You might argue that the revenue losses aren't correlated to their headcount changes and probably make a good argument, but I mean... It's not a great one

For that to be true, the revenue loss would have to be related to the loss of headcount, e.g. due to downtime or other issues. Rather the revenue loss was due to an advertiser boycott driven by Elon's rejection of woke politics. That wouldn't apply to other tech companies that made similarly deep layoffs.

Look at it this way. Could Google lay off 70% of employees and keep the lights on, even still launching some new features on core properties, whilst preserving revenue? It'd be surprising if the answer was no.

Re: Layoffs at Block

#924

i'm gonna write this terrible news in all lowercase cause it's super aesthetic. maintain a bit of professionalism for the 4,000 people whose lives i'm throwing into turmoil? i don't think so, i have my shift key taped over so i don't accidentally show respect to anybody

Not saying this is the case here by any means, but I've disabled all the assistive/autocorrecting technology on my phone's keyboard because ironically it make it more usable. So now I don't even get automatic capitalization.

Re: Layoffs at Block

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Now imagine you run a mowing service with 4 employees. Suddenly an unbounded number of people appear on the job market who are ready to work for your company at a 5% the cost of your previous employees. Best of all, they become more competent and less expensive over time. You can't yet fire your entire original roster all at once since they need to teach the new hires the specifics of the job, but after that's done,…

No sane person is claiming AI can fully replace a human worker today. It is a productivity multiplier at least for now.

> No sane person is claiming AI can fully replace a human worker today.

You must be living under a rock..

Re: Layoffs at Block

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Temporal had a far greater impact on dev velocity than AI ever did. It's not even close. It saves not only coding, but design, planning, coordination, maintenance, etc that AI doesn't even touch. But that's not very buzzy, is it.

From what I hear, that's kind of true across the industry. I wonder how things would be different if all these press releases pointed to Temporal as the cause rather than AI. It's kind of weird to think about. (Not that I think Temporal is the reason behind the layoffs either, but just as a thought experiment).

Re: Layoffs at Block

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Nice severance; but in this job market, holy shit. Yeah, you get 5 months of severance and a bunch of devices and such; but, does this CEO really think these employees will find new work in that time? In this job market? If the profits are still up and growing, why on earth would you evict 40% of the company, to send them into this job market? Why not … try new industries, play around, try to become the next Mitsubis…

I really don't understand the notion that a company owes you a job for work that doesn't produce a financial result for them.

They don’t because of at-will employment. It’s just sort of the more moral, empathetic, right thing to do instead of leaving them with no income, no insurance, etc.

Re: Layoffs at Block

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The $2M+ gross profit per person target is the number that actually explains this. That's 4x their pre-covid baseline. Every company that over-hired during ZIRP is running this same math correction. The AI framing helps the stock. The underlying correction was always coming.

Re: Layoffs at Block

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This is also why your countries social welfare systems are teetering on fiscal insolvency and deficits are ballooning. Your inefficient and non-competitive private sector isn't growing fast enough to fund your growing demand for free stuff in the public sector. Maybe if companies and entrepreneurs were allowed to shift more rapidly to meet market demand your legacy giants (and social welfare meal ticket) wouldn't be…

I'll take teetering on fiscal insolvency over one trip to ER makes you bankrupt and in debt for life if you don't have insurance, thank you.

> bankrupt and in debt for life

Bankruptcy exists precisely so you are not in debt for life. It's a setback, but not irrecoverable.

Re: Layoffs at Block

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Even if the AI piece isn't really true - smaller flatter teams will move faster anyway. I always wonder having worked in a lot of startups with 10-50ppl, what on earth a business does with 10000.

Seconded. My experience has been that -- even while still complying with lots of overhead (e.g. government regulations and compliance) -- smaller teams of 1-3 devs move waaaaay faster than teams of 4-10. Could definitely speak to the overall codebase quality or some other factor, but yeah.

Brooks explains this in The Mythical Man Month when he discusses how adding people to a delayed project increases the delay. Communication complexity grows exponentially as team size increases. It quickly reaches the point where it has to be controlled by procedures, forms, approvals, etc.
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