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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by sdeiley »

raincole wrote: post #779
sdeiley wrote: post #548

People underrate Google's cost effectiveness so much. Half price of Opus. HALF. Think about ANY other product and what you'd expect from the competition thats half the price. Yet people here act like Gemini is dead weight ____ Update: 3.1 was 40% of the cost to run AA index vs Opus Thinking AND SONNET, beat Opus, and still 30% faster for output speed. https://artificialanalysis.ai/?speed=intelligence-vs-speed&m...

^ This is a weird Gemini shilling account (check their comment history) but I still want to point how ridiculous this statement is: > Think about ANY other product and what you'd expect from the competition thats half the price. Car, fashion, jewelry, earphone, furniture, keyboard, mouse, restaurant, house,...

Lol Ive admitted im a google employee, not hiding my bias.

Most things aren't worth commenting on except the gemini posts here, which I find insane.

And pretty much every example you gave Id expect quite a lot more for 2x the amount? Idk man

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by lal77 »

spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by quotemstr »

girvo wrote: post #919
embedding-shape wrote: post #897

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You're mixing up two things though. One is what the agent does "locally", wherever that might be (for me it's inside a VM), and second is what code you actually share or as you call "send". Just because you don't want to gate every change in #1, doesn't mean you're just throwing shit via #2, I'm still reviewing my code as much as before, if not more now, before I consider it ready to be reviewed by others. But I'm se…

> Just because you don't want to gate every change in #1, doesn't mean you're just throwing shit via #2, Right but in practice from what I've seen at work, it does. You're right: it shouldn't inherently, but that's what I've been seeing. > But I'm seemingly also one of the few developers who seem to take responsibility of the code I produce, even if AI happens to have coded it. Pretty much what I'm getting at, yeah

There's a huge psychological difference between 1) letting the agent write whatever then editing it for commit, and 2) approving the edits. There shouldn't be, but there is.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by LPisGood »

matwood wrote: post #802
LPisGood wrote: post #722

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Why do you assume they’ll figure it out when they pretty consistently mess things up?

You need some qualifiers. Google is very good at engineering. For example, I hate that Google uses my data to serve ads, but there isn't a tech company I would trust more to safe guard my data. Where Google has fallen down is trying to productize new things. Imagine if Apple had Google's software prowess, or Google had Apple's ability to conceptualize a complete product.

Would you not trust Apple at least as much?

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by metavolvelabs »

They crushed it with Gemini 3.1... especially when in Thinking Mode with Deep Think initiated. If you are working towards something with code, research etc. and hit a snag, run it by Gemini with these settings. Here's another KILLER trick: In Gemini Thinking mode select Nano Banana and have it put together a comprehensive slide with paragraph length text portions. It'll nail it.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by matwood »

LPisGood wrote: post #924
matwood wrote: post #802

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need some qualifiers. Google is very good at engineering. For example, I hate that Google uses my data to serve ads, but there isn't a tech company I would trust more to safe guard my data. Where Google has fallen down is trying to productize new things. Imagine if Apple had Google's software prowess, or Google had Apple's ability to conceptualize a complete product.

Would you not trust Apple at least as much?

I do, but Apple captures way less data. Most data they have, I gave them.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by integricho »

sdeiley wrote: post #921
raincole wrote: post #779

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^ This is a weird Gemini shilling account (check their comment history) but I still want to point how ridiculous this statement is: > Think about ANY other product and what you'd expect from the competition thats half the price. Car, fashion, jewelry, earphone, furniture, keyboard, mouse, restaurant, house,...

Lol Ive admitted im a google employee, not hiding my bias. Most things aren't worth commenting on except the gemini posts here, which I find insane. And pretty much every example you gave Id expect quite a lot more for 2x the amount? Idk man

So you are an anthropic / openai employee, actually.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by vidarh »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #607
vidarh wrote: post #508

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Nope. The closest I've gotten was rejecting Google recruiters several times. But like everyone else I'm used to Google failing to care about products.

Inside Google we just constantly joked/complained about "old thing is deprecated, new isn't ready yet" This held for internal APIs, facilities, systems more even than it did for the outside world. Which is terrible.

I think you underestimate how deep-seated the view of Google as liable to end-of-life any product at any time is for the outside world. I don't adopt any new Google products any more, because I have no reason to trust that it will stay around.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

vidarh wrote: post #928
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #607

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Inside Google we just constantly joked/complained about "old thing is deprecated, new isn't ready yet" This held for internal APIs, facilities, systems more even than it did for the outside world. Which is terrible.

I think you underestimate how deep-seated the view of Google as liable to end-of-life any product at any time is for the outside world. I don't adopt any new Google products any more, because I have no reason to trust that it will stay around.

I think you didn't read what I wrote and are mistaking me for some sort of advocate for you adopting Google's products?

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by DangitBobby »

kingstnap wrote: post #789
WarmWash wrote: post #626

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Gemini is the most paradoxical model because it benchmarks great even in private benchmarks done by regular people, Deep Mind is unquestionably full of capable engineers with incredible skill, and personally Gemini has been great for my day job and my coding for fun (not for profit) endeavors. Switching between it and 4.6 in antigravity and I don't see much of a difference, they both do what I ask. But man, people ar…

I personally found Gemini 3.0 to step on my toes in Agentic coding. I tried it around 10 or so times but it quickly became apparent that it was somehow coming to its own conclusions about what needs to be done instead of following instructions. Like files I didn't mention being edited and read and stuff of that nature. Sometimes this is cute in fixing typos in docs but when its changing things where it clearly doesn'…

I've found in everyday chat use with Gemini that it confuses things _it_ says for things I've said, which is normally fine for my purposes but I imagine would lead to the scenario you're describing in coding sessions.
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