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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

cauch wrote: post #483
rlt wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting the idea that 10 innocents are being deported for every 1 illegal? Or that the "majority" of people supporting the crackdown would support that? The information I can find suggests only a handful of cases, maybe a dozen, out of 600,000 or so.

I'm saying that the majority of the people supporting the crackdown don't care about the fact that the crackdown may break the law. Which is demonstrated by the fact that these people totally don't care of what is the number of innocents deported. You can see these people saying "we should deport the illegals", but how often you can see them saying "but I also want to know the number of innocent deported, and if this…

> I'm saying that the majority of the people supporting the crackdown don't care about the fact that the crackdown may break the law. Which is demonstrated by the fact that these people totally don't care of what is the number of innocents deported. You can see these people saying "we should deport the illegals", but how often you can see them saying "but I also want to know the number of innocent deported, and if this number is too high, we should stop the deportation"?

The people who oppose don't care about the fact that illegal immigrants are continually breaking US law by continuing to be in the US, and often explicitly argue that laws restricting immigration into the US are immoral. There's no reason grounded in an ethic of general respect for the law why formal law-violation associated with the crackdown is more important than formal law-violation associated with the illegal immigration.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

cauch wrote: post #916
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #819

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@cauch: let me ask you this: how do you weed out the illegals besides asking for proof or citizenship or proof of a passport visa that you are in the US legally?

Do what other civilised countries do? What I don't understand is that ICE are clearly incompetent: they shoot the wrong guys, they keep claiming they arrested bad guys and it turns out they totally misunderstood and the persons in question are not who they thought they were. Even with Pretti, ICE declared they were there to arrest a known illegal with a "significant criminal history", but turns out the Minnesota offi…

Other civilized countries routinely ask for proof of citizenship or legal residency when people interact with their bureaucracies and deport people who are discovered by law enforcement to not be legally resident. This happens all the time in every civilized country and in many countries we don't consider civilized.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by leptons »

mikeyouse wrote: post #640
leptons wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the Democrats didn't allow SCOTUS to become corrupted by the fascist right-wing, we wouldn't be in this situation. RBG refused to retire and died while Trump was president. That gave them one seat. Obama could have McConnel refused to let Obama replace Scalia after he died. I'm not sure that had to happen the way it went down.

People do realize that Republicans have agency right? It’s more fun to blame democrats but it’s fairly striking to blame them while hand waving away that the right wing fascist project has been ongoing since at least 2010. They could have also stopped the fascist corruption.

RBG had cancer twice, and she refused to step down and let Obama replace her. More should have been done to convince her. McConnell blocking Obama from filling Scalia's vacancy probably didn't have to happen the way it did, if Democrats stood up and forced it - the Republican reasoning was absolutely stupid and not based on any lawful reason.

Yes, the Democrats fumbled this and it led to the problems we have now. I'm still a lifelong Democrat voter and always will be, but goddamnit did we shoot ourselves in the foot.

Trump had no problem convincing Kennedy to step down and be replaced. Republicans know the game, the Democrats we elect don't seem to know how to play it.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by amalcon »

mikeyouse wrote: post #640
leptons wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the Democrats didn't allow SCOTUS to become corrupted by the fascist right-wing, we wouldn't be in this situation. RBG refused to retire and died while Trump was president. That gave them one seat. Obama could have McConnel refused to let Obama replace Scalia after he died. I'm not sure that had to happen the way it went down.

People do realize that Republicans have agency right? It’s more fun to blame democrats but it’s fairly striking to blame them while hand waving away that the right wing fascist project has been ongoing since at least 2010. They could have also stopped the fascist corruption.

I mean, sure. The problem is that ignoring Republican agency is seemingly incubated by both parties' philosophies (such as they are). It's a common "conservative" vice to blame problems on those you identify less with (right now, Democrats). It's a common "liberal" vice to put the onus to fix a problem on those you identify more with (also Democrats). Therefore, most people's solution to any given problem involves putting pressure on Democrats. Putting pressure on Republicans "doesn't help", either because they have nothing to do with the problem or because they obviously will never fix it.

Part of me thinks this is fundamental to the human condition, but most of me thinks it isn't. This doesn't seem to have happened in the FDR era, or the Nixon era, for example. I think it's just fallout from the post-Reagan coalitions in the US political system.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by loeg »

smsm42 wrote: post #701
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

> EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between le…

> But I am not sure if the states use their own money for this - why would they send this information to HHS?

Pretty sure it's because EFF is being a bit vague with the truth and they were using Fed funds for this, at least until quite recently.

https://paragoninstitute.org/medicaid/californias-insurance-...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by contrarian1234 »

fragmede wrote: post #918
contrarian1234 wrote: post #913

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The Rights are not intended as preemptive. You don't have a right to free speech b/c otherwise maybe the government regulation of speech will get out of hand. You have it because it's espoused as a fundamental right. Same with separation of church and state. It's like "Well maybe a future evil government will regulate the church poorly, so lets ban it completely". It's just seen as an area the government shouldn't de…

> And it's not sensible to structure things with the expectation the future government will be evil Jewish Danes would like to have a word with you about that

Are we supposed to structure out society so we're safer in the case that the Chinese invade and use all our institutions against us? There is a risk-benefit tradeoff to make. Crippling society and institutions in preparation for an a worst-case scenario future hypothetical is not sensible. To get things done you operate from the standpoint that the democratic government is responsive to the desires of the people. The adversarial perspective is self sabotaging

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

cthalupa wrote: post #688
rlt wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster. If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun. I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.

The person who starts shooting him has full visibility of the gun the entire time. Even if he doesn't realize it is a misfire, why would he believe that it was Pretti who shot? How can you reasonably believe a dude that is dogpiled with a gun not in his control is the shooter?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46770328

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by troyvit »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #911
troyvit wrote: post #876

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Just a piece of advice. If a woman calls it rape it's not on her to prove it. It's on the man to prove it's not. This goes doubly when you're talking about one of the most powerful men in the world. There are dynamics at play here that none of us would be able to comprehend. Here's another source: https://www.kron4.com/news/technology-ai/former-google-ceo-s... An interesting thing is how most of the photos that the m…

I asked for no such proof. Quit making things up. EDIT: It's really interesting that your link mentions nothing about any rape charges. These inconsistencies are why I am confused and asking questions. These inconsistencies should have you asking questions, too.

Good point. Read into the case where you'll find out more instead of relying on other people to do your searching for you. When you say stuff like:

> So she didn't have any problems "escaping" the relationship.

It's pretty telling that you don't have a sense of the power dynamics that come with sexual violence like this, especially, as I said, with somebody like Eric Schmidt.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

troyvit wrote: post #928
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #911

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked for no such proof. Quit making things up. EDIT: It's really interesting that your link mentions nothing about any rape charges. These inconsistencies are why I am confused and asking questions. These inconsistencies should have you asking questions, too.

Good point. Read into the case where you'll find out more instead of relying on other people to do your searching for you. When you say stuff like: > So she didn't have any problems "escaping" the relationship. It's pretty telling that you don't have a sense of the power dynamics that come with sexual violence like this, especially, as I said, with somebody like Eric Schmidt.

You presume there was sexual violence even though there is no mention of it in your link. Or are you ignoring that?

Tell me what difficulty she had escaping the relationship. You act like you know more than I.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cauch »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #922
cauch wrote: post #916

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do what other civilised countries do? What I don't understand is that ICE are clearly incompetent: they shoot the wrong guys, they keep claiming they arrested bad guys and it turns out they totally misunderstood and the persons in question are not who they thought they were. Even with Pretti, ICE declared they were there to arrest a known illegal with a "significant criminal history", but turns out the Minnesota offi…

Other civilized countries routinely ask for proof of citizenship or legal residency when people interact with their bureaucracies and deport people who are discovered by law enforcement to not be legally resident. This happens all the time in every civilized country and in many countries we don't consider civilized.

I've lived in several civilized in Europe, and they don't do raid like it is happening in Minnesota. What is happening in Minnesota makes the front pages in Europe, and a lot of people are saying that according to them, it will never be possible here (I'm not sure I agree with them, but it shows that the idea that the ICE methods are "the usual way to deal efficiently with immigration" is totally crazy).

I guarantee you, in Europe, illegals are arrested and deported regularly, and yet, the large majority of people don't even notice. There is no masked troops doing raids. And some people push for more care in managing illegal migrants expulsion, they do demonstration, they organise events and sometimes even are present and makes small obstruction during interventions. Yet none of them are being killed.

There is a huge disconnect with reality in US right now, with a part of the population so uneducated with the "usual" migration regulation and so fed with fear that they are painting the situation as if having unhinged ICE acting outside of due process is the only alternative to "open border and lawlessness". What a joke.

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