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If that were true, sci-hub.se would be blocked in Germany on 1.1.1.1 (1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com), it isn't blocked, therefore it's not true. (Modus tollens)
Your reasoning is impeccable, bravo. But it's wrong. Both your premise and your conclusion are based on completely wrong assumptions.
Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#922Let's be a bit more honest here, I think the Italian law is badly defined, but I also think the american perspective is wrong. We (all tech people everywhere me included) argued for a lot of time for free speech on the internet, but the result currently is that we built a system that is free speech for Russian and Chinese bots and actors. In Europe we are under daily attack from Russian accounts that spread massive a…
To be honest, I think this argument is FUD as well. There are some Russian accounts and there is disinformation, but this isn't the core of polarization in western democracies and Europe in particualr. And reigning in free speech is even poison in this situation, which is more complex than pointing your finger at bots. In Europe freedom of speech is under threat from its own population, which is more and more driven…
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#923Earlier quoted context omitted.
> we are under daily attack from Russian accounts We would go a long way if our communication platforms weren't intentionally amplifying the most controversial voices for the sake of maximizing ad revenue. Back in the day the Russians needed to spend money to buy influence. Now they can just make their propaganda engaging enough and Western companies will happily host it and promote it for free .
> Now they can just make their propaganda engaging enough and Western companies will happily host it and promote it for free. Important to distinguish here that all of these companies are not just Western but American.
It's a perverse incentive that in chasing engagement, the ragebait is selected for.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#924Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't want my politicians deciding what is good or bad on the internet. I'm an adult, and I can decide for myself. The issue isn't whether politicians are deciding what's good or bad. The issue is that, in Europe, foreign actors with explicit ill intent are deciding a ton of the content your neighbours are watching/reading, day in day out, on the internet. AI has made this easier and even more scalable than befor…
>What the actual fuck do we do to defend ourselves, pray tell? Delete smartphone, logout from abusive SaaS.
Deleting X (which I've done) doesn't stop Russia from influencing the voterbase of my neighbouring countries. Now what?
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Governments just can't come to grips with how much money software engineers make. Paying a contractor $x million? Yeah no problem, projects are projects, they cost what they cost. Does that $x million pay for 5x fewer people than it would in construction or road repair? We don't know, we don't care, this is the best bid we got for the requirements, and in line with what similar IT projects cost us before. Paying a ju…
> Paying a junior employee $100k? "We can't do that, the agency director has worked here for 40 years, and he doesn't make that much." I can assure you that junior software engineers in Italy or anywhere else in the EU make nowhere near that amount of money. In fact, few of even the most senior software engineers make that amount of money anywhere in the EU (in Switzerland or the UK they might see such salaries, at t…
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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So you want to censor what other people read? I don't think your neighbor would appreciate such patronizing attitude.
I don't appreciate my neighbors letting themselves be manipulated to do me harm. I think it's time we do something about it.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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I don't appreciate my neighbors letting themselves be manipulated to do me harm. I think it's time we do something about it.
How are they doing you harm?
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Ok, but are we losers who cannot compete culturally? Where's the faith and confidence? We can't compete with AI slop?
Can broccoli compete with heroin? Why don't we offer people both and see what they like better? Let them compete! Give people choice!
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Also another Italian here. For context, the "Piracy Shield" mentioned in the order is basically a legislative hacksaw authorized by the regulator (AGCOM) primarily to protect Serie A football rights. Soccer rules Italy more than the Vatican.. It’s a mess technically: it mandates ISPs and DNS providers to block IPs/domains within 30 minutes of a report, with zero judicial oversight. It’s infamous locally for false pos…
A system like this could actually work as long as every takedown request involves posting a significant bond into a holding account and where the publisher can challenge the block and claim the bond if the block is ruled illegal. This achieves the advantages of quick blocking while deterring bad behavior, and provides cost-effective recourse for publishers that get blocked, since the bond would cover the legal fees o…
I would support a “5 cents per unsolicited email” email system, in a similar way. If you make it a mildly enjoyable $5/hour task to read the first sentence or two of your spam folder, the overall internet would be better.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#930Cloudflare is not for the open internet; they can you kick you out of their service if they don't like you whenever they want, which is fine and legal for that matter or they freaking can have an outage and have your service shut down that way. It's a lose, lose situation. Stay out of Cloudflare, there is nothing good about them.