I think Venezuela should take this to the ICC. (The ICJ is irrelevant).
You don't know what the ICC is for. It absolutely cannot stop the USA from trying him for breaking domestic USA law. That is a foundational principle of what it is.
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#922The only interest Americans have is oil. nothing else.
Put your bet here re: oil inflows from Venezuela to the USA.
Put a number on it. Stop talking shit.
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#924This is a unilateral invasion and regime change operation with no Congressional authorization, no UN mandate, no coalition. It's unprecedented in its brazenness—not because the U.S. hasn't done regime change before (Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.), but because there's not even the pretense of justification or coalition-building. The "narco-terrorism" charges are a legal fig leaf. The real drivers appear to be oil (…
Man, the guy probably broke a ton of Venezuelan and American laws. Maduro is responsible for the break down in diplomacy - what did he think was going to happen if he kept breaking the law?
There's no extradition treaty - how else does the USA bring him to trial?
Go to the courthouse when he gets convicted and yell about how clearly illegal it all is. You'll look like a nutcase. I'll just celebrate that he's going to die in prison.
What law are they breaking by forcefully extracting a criminal? Why does he get away with it because he's a president? He's not even the president of Venezuela, it's disputed - chiefly by Venezuelan's themselves.
Now we get to hold him to account in an open court. This is just good ass news. You don't get to declare the whole thing illegal and unjustified.
He will get returned in 20 years and probably tried for murder by the people he repressed.
Finally - he's a really cool thing about the US legal system, if his rendition was illegal, as you say, he can claim that in court. It won't work because it wasn't.
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#925Am I going to see Venezualan flags pop up all over European capitals like I did when Putin did the exact same thing in Ukraine that Trump just did? I had highly doubt it. I guess invading foreign countries is fine if it’s „our“ side doing it.
If you have the view that all military action is bad - you will remain as confused as you are right now.
A more mainstream view has a different opinion.
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#926Trump's handlers have proven the USA military don't care about the Constitution. They're happy to enforce the dictators will even though they know it to be unlawful. Seems like that is a significant movement that opens the door for Trump to be even more evil. They've rallied to the sex offender, they probably have to follow through now to avoid joining him and his cohort in jail.
The Constitution isn't that long - state the violations here plainly for all of us to see and critique.
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#927It's hard to think through the implications of living in a world where it is accepted that countries with more power simply invade each other and take land and possessions from those with less power. I can't think how it doesn't ultimately lead to broadscale instability and ultimately, war. In turn it depresses me that this is toxic to the humanity progressing and solving its bigger picture problems.
Thats all of human history.
Our biggest problem is us, the Earth will be a much better place when we are gone.
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#928I hope the rest of south america doesn’t let this stand. Heavy sanctions on US, maybe even military intervention. The US can’t go to war with an entire continent.
Are you from South America? Do you think the neighboring countries are happy about all the Venezuelan refugees? What about Guyana - do you think they would join sanctions in support of Venezuela?
Military intervention? Some farmers with sticks?
Do you even know what the Rio Treaty is?
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#929Rules based order.
The other takeaway: if you have oil, and no nukes, in due course, the US will come to steal it.
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#930If you're ever confused by Don's actions, just remember: all he cares about is gaining more wealth (and power if possible). This was done to enrich Don and the oil barons who funded his campaign. [0] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-exec...
Read that article and it makes most of this conversation irrelevant and pointless. I have to say this is the only thing that even makes sense.