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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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> that would end the instant they released the hostages and lay down their arms. Numerous Israeli government officials have said publicly that the current war is not going to end until Palestinians no longer live in Gaza.

Sources? Are these officials who have any power or authority, or are they the Israeli equivalent of MTG?

Several Otzma Yehudit members are ministers in the current government.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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"Never again" - Was that ever an idea that Israel committed to? I thought this is only something that Germany and potentially other countries committed to, and Israel saw itself as the victim since forever, so they have no reason to commit to anything, but the victim card, which allowed them to have their own country in the first place. Note though, that Germany's commitment to "never again" got somehow repurposed in…

> which allowed them to have their own country That's a weird thing to say, I thought it was because they set up governance amid a collapsed empire and defended themselves in a war

There's a belief in the western left that Israel was set up by Western countries as colonialism. That way they can more easily call for the dissolving of the illegitimate country for a 1 state solution. If you acknowledge that the Jews were elbowing their way into the area of their own desire for a state, against the wishes of the Ottomans and then British, it makes it more difficult to paint them as evil invaders.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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You must vote, but I wont fault anyone for voting 3rd party (or leaving a blank ballot, if you must). Voting 3rd party sends a message: "be more like this 3rd party if you want my vote". Not voting also sends a message: "I wont show up and vote, so just ignore me".

That's not true at all. Even Alexis de Tocqueville discussed the value in not voting. It takes away the mandate from politicians. I don't think we live in a real democracy and I'm not giving legitimacy to fake, fully-Zionist elections. Direct action is much more effective and at some point our government will dissolve if the vast majority of people exit the optics of fake democracy.

Are you saying that if enough people do not vote that our government will dissolve?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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The current US administration also derives a lot of its support from evangelical Christians, who have a belief that Israel must exist in order for Jesus to return to earth. Which I’m sure he’d be a fan of all the lying and killing that was done to make that happen…

I don't think you have to be an evangelical Christian to belief that Israel should exist. I think a lot of people not heavily invested in politics or world affairs simply see Israel as more of a Western country aligned with their values and beliefs and want them to exist. > Which I’m sure he’d be a fan of all the lying and killing that was done to make that happen… I'm not sure if Israel ceased to exist there would b…

Why would the terrorists exist to begin with if Israel didn't exist?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I'm afraid the latest spate of "recognizing the state of Palestine" is not, in fact, a sign of coming relief for the people there, but rather a spigot to relieve domestic pressure to engage in substantive actions (sanctions, pressuring the US and other suppliers of arms to engage in sanctions, let alone sending peacekeepers or no-fly zones). Regardless of how much you're personally invested in the topic, this should…

> break the hearts of everyone who dreamed that the international community could hold each other legally accountable. this is never going to happen. there is just no practical enforcement mechanism. laws and police works within a sovereign country because the state has the monopoly on violence, this is not true on the international stage. no country will go into war to enforce an ICC/ICJ conviction.

I'm illiterate on international law, but does anything exist/is similar to the UN's peace keeping forces but for the enforcement of judicial decisions on the international scale?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Given the deliberate creation of unlivable conditions on the ground and the absence of any viable plan for restoring Palestinian life and sovereignty, the civilian population of Gaza faces two primary and foreseeable outcomes: Mass mortality from non-combat causes: The synergistic crisis of famine, disease, and healthcare collapse makes widespread death from starvation, dehydration, and preventable illness a mathemat…

And do you think we defeated the nazis by leaving their food intact? By leaving their bomb factories intact? Did we refuse to invade their cities in case the innocent nazi citizens got killed? War is war. I don’t see a single person in that territory that opposes the war. They simply want the other side to surrender because they are losing a war they started.

Do you realize that words like "they" and "the other side" are greatly reductive and lack much needed nuance?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Given all the hatred that is going around, I believe the genocide is real. And if it's not real yet, it will be if someone doesn't put a stop to this. But all the reporting does not add up. Half the pictures Hamas shows of starving children aren't legitimate. They're children with medical conditions, not in Gaza, or from a different conflict. The number of people starving to death each day are in the single or low do…

I think starving children with medical conditions is even worse! I really do not understand the recent Free Press articles about how news reporting about how children in Gaza are starving is not legitimate because the starving children in question had a medical condition. How does that matter? What audience is this news for? It makes everyone involved look like ghouls.

Exactly.. If your medical condition requires you to consume protein instance, and there are no sources of protein around (at reasonable prices), and you die out of starvation. How is that not a legitimate case?

https://youtu.be/Yu2qqlHT-zA

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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UN Watch Rebuttal: Legal Analysis of Pillay Commission’s September 2025 Report to Human Rights Council "This rebuttal examines the central defects of the UN report (the “Report”) issued by the Commission of Inquiry (the “Commission”). It shows why the evidence presented cannot sustain a finding of genocide under international law. A summary of its main deficiencies are as follows: 1. Failure to prove dolus specialis:…

> Failure to prove dolus special

This one is sufficient for me. And I think classifying it as genocide is a big mistake if your goal is protecting the civilians in Gaza. An easily proven wrong accusation overshadows the fact Israel could have taken things more slowly an carefully. Which I think (with little experience or knowledge) they could since the power difference is huge between the sides.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Is it actually relevant? It's not about why israel fights but about how they fight. The report is not about the conflict at large but about how exactly israel is handling day to day operations.

the atlantic article from almost exactly year ago: https://archive.is/wKScw ------------------- Brett McGurk would push back against the complaints, invoking his stint overseeing the siege of Mosul during the Obama administration, as the U.S. attempted to drive ISIS from northern Iraq: We flattened the city. There’s nothing left. What standard are you holding these Israelis to? It was an argument bolstered by a class…

Took me a while to figure out but this is the most literal whataboutism message I've had to read in a while.

It's not relevant what other countries did, why israel fights, where they got their weapon or training or ideas. It's only about how israel handles day to day operations.

I'd be happy to read reports about wether the US commited a genocide. And I don't want to read comparison with other countries in such reports.

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