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Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by bellgrove »

CSMastermind wrote: post #485

It has been extremely disheartening to see people celebrating this across other social media platforms.

I haven’t seen any of this, anecdotally. Don’t confuse indifference with celebration. You all had a school shooting the other day too and I’ve hardly heart about it because it is overshadowed by this news.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by alessandru »

DamnInteresting wrote: post #687

I went to college at this place (when it was Utah Valley State College [UVSC], before it was UVU). I spent a lot of time in that part of the campus over several years. How strange to see these events unfolding there. Kirk seems to be a person with whom I have scant philosophical agreement, but I prefer to converse with such people rather than watch them die. What an awful mess this all is.

no you don't.

these people don't argue to uncover the truth, they just provoke you into some debate-bro logical gotcha that is simply borne in ignorance.

it's not even if you agree or not with him, he has no intention of ever learning your side, it's just a smorgasbord of conservative bs on repeat.

murder bad. but this guy was a provocateur who tried to get the most "impact" for his side. that is why his hot takes are so insane. they aren't points to argue against, they are dog whistle rallying points for all the racists and misogynists to think society is theirs. so let's not defend his work as "just having opinions i disagree with" ...

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jacquesm wrote: post #822
csours wrote: post #137

History books can tell you facts that happened, but they can never truly tell you how it feels. I feel we're riding a knife's edge and there's a hurricane brewing in the gulf of absurdity. ==== Incidentally, I feel like this is why it is so hard to actually learn from history. You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc.

We may be smarter, but we certainly are not wiser. There are facts, skills, smarts and then there is wisdom. The latter is in short supply and is orthogonal to the other three.

Yeah, COVID showed me more than anything that our core need of belonging and need for conformity (the one that can drive cultist behavior) is not something that everyone can overcome with knowledge and experts and awareness. You truly can't make a horse drink, even if they are dehydrated.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by nick_ »

incomingpain wrote: post #912

I’m Canadian, and US politics is a massive distraction and influence on ours. It gives me an objective view of their system because their problems often spill over into ours. I usually try to avoid diving into US politics, so I didn’t follow Charlie. Still, he was deeply respected by all of my political allies in Canada. I don’t know all of his positions, but I’d bet we agreed a lot. One thing that’s shifted in my li…

I'm also Canadian. Your interpretation of Kirk's "mission" is curious.

To the rest of us, his "open discussion" was clearly and obviously rhetorical. The public performances that made him famous were undoubtedly designed specifically to incite college students into making clumsy arguments they weren't prepared for. Not only is that bad faith and predatory in the context of political debate, but Steven Crowder came up with that schtick.

Blaming democrats/liberals for his death is also curious. Could you expand on how you're so sure about that? As far as I know, no suspect nor motive is known at this time.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by paulryanrogers »

smeeger wrote: post #621

many on the left point out charlies comments on gun crime, school shootings. this has nothing to do with any of that because it was a political assassination. this is not gun violence in the colloquial sense. you could ban guns fully and there would still be political assassinations using rifles because these people are either enabled by high level political forces or highly motivated in an idealistic, political mann…

Assassin by gun is objectively more difficult in a country that bans them outright. His ardent support for private gun ownership contributed to the continuation of a nation filled with more guns than humans.
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