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Re: GPT-5

#921
I asked ChatGPT 5 about the main differences between 4 and 5, and it said:

"I couldn’t find any credible, up-to-date details on a model officially named “GPT-5” or formal comparisons to “GPT-4o.” It’s possible that GPT-5, if it exists, hasn't been announced publicly or covered in verifiable sources … GPT-5 as of August 8, 2025 has no formal release announcement"

Reassuring.

Re: GPT-5

#922

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

They’re all clustered together because they’re asymptotically approaching the same local maxima, not getting closer to anything resembling “AGI”

Re: GPT-5

#923

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

If AGI is ever achieved, it would open the door to recursive self improvement that would presumably rapidly exceed human capability across any and all fields, including AI development. So the AI would be improving itself while simultaneously also making revolutionary breakthroughs in essentially all fields. And, for at least a while, it would also presumably be doing so at an exponentially increasing rate.

But I think we're not even on the path to creating AGI. We're creating software that replicate and remix human knowledge at a fixed point in time. And so it's a fixed target that you can't really exceed, which would itself already entail diminishing returns. Pair this with the fact that it's based on neural networks which also invariably reach a point of sharply diminishing returns in essentially every field they're used in, and you have something that looks much closer to what we're doing right now - where all competitors will eventually converge on something largely indistinguishable from each other, in terms of ability.

Re: GPT-5

#924
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The live stream just has Altman interviewing a lady who was diagnosed 3 different cancers. GPT4 gave her better response than doctors she said.

If it gave 5 other ladies worse responses, it's not like he would have paraded them around for context.

Re: GPT-5

#925
I asked it to count letters in his answer. First it asked me what answer, then suggested Python code that will count letter in gpt api reply, then gave wrong answer, then dropped my connection. Wonderfull product. AGI is so near, you u can almost smell it...

Re: GPT-5

#926

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

If AGI is ever achieved, it would open the door to recursive self improvement that would presumably rapidly exceed human capability across any and all fields, including AI development. So the AI would be improving itself while simultaneously also making revolutionary breakthroughs in essentially all fields. And, for at least a while, it would also presumably be doing so at an exponentially increasing rate. But I thin…

>And, for at least a while, it would also presumably be doing so at an exponentially increasing rate.

Why would you presume this? I think part of a lot of people's AI skepticism is talk like this. You have no idea. Full stop. Why wouldn't progress be linear? As new breakthroughs come, newer ones will be harder to come by. Perhaps it's exponential. Perhaps it's linear. No one knows.

Re: GPT-5

#927
For web app generation, gpt-5 seems to route my prompt to the reasoning model. Interestingly, gpt-4.1 often produced more creative or aesthetically interesting designs. In some cases, a bit of controlled hallucination (via temperature) is actually desirable, especially when generating UI ideas. Anyone else seeing this tradeoff?

Re: GPT-5

#928

GPT-5 knowledge cutoff: Sep 30, 2024 (10 months before release). Compare that to Gemini 2.5 Pro knowledge cutoff: Jan 2025 (3 months before release) Claude Opus 4.1: knowledge cutoff: Mar 2025 (4 months before release) https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/compare https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/pro/ https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/about-claude/models/overv...

> GPT-5 knowledge cutoff: Sep 30, 2024 > Gemini 2.5 Pro knowledge cutoff: Jan 2025 > Claude Opus 4.1: knowledge cutoff: Mar 2025 A significant portion of the search results available after those dates is AI generated anyway, so what good would training on them do?

Latest tech docs about a library which you want to use in your code.

Re: GPT-5

#929

The marketing copy and the current livestream appear tautological: "it's better because it's better." Not much explanation yet why GPT-5 warrants a major version bump. As usual, the model (and potentially OpenAI as a whole) will depend on output vibe checks.

I didn't think GPT-4 warranted a major version bump. I do not believe that Open AI's benchmarks are legitimate and I don't think they have been for quite some time, if ever.

Re: GPT-5

#930

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

If AGI is ever achieved, it would open the door to recursive self improvement that would presumably rapidly exceed human capability across any and all fields, including AI development. So the AI would be improving itself while simultaneously also making revolutionary breakthroughs in essentially all fields. And, for at least a while, it would also presumably be doing so at an exponentially increasing rate. But I thin…

> If AGI is ever achieved, it would open the door to recursive self improvement ...

They are unrelated. All you need is a way for continual improvement without plateauing, and this can start at any level of intelligence. As it did for us; humans were once less intelligent.

Using the flagship to bootstrap the next iteration with synthetic data is standard practice now. This was mentioned in the GPT5 presentation. At the rate things are going I think this will get us to ASI, and it's not going to feel epochal for people who have interacted with existing models, but more of the same. After all, the existing models are already smarter than most humans and most people are taking it in their stride.

The next revolution is going to be embodiment. I hope we have the commonsense to stop there, before instilling agency.

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