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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by sudosysgen »

FabHK wrote: post #714
School-Cotton wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has been blockading the Gaza Strip by air and sea for 18 years. The Gaza Strip is, as far as I know, the only place in the world whose fishermen can't fish in the full extent of its territorial waters. This has been true since way before Oct. 7th 2023.

Keep in mind that the Gaza Strip borders both Israel and Egypt.

There are IDF troops on the Egypt side and a Egypt was forced under military threat to a sign a treaty allowing Israel to veto what comes and goes from the Egyptian side.

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Post by kgeist »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #880
kristopolous wrote: post #315

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Historically, any nationalist project on behalf of any group requiring large migration for it to work led to a removal and replacement of some group with another. United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, failed ones like Rhodesia...there's really no counter-example I can think of. Regardless of where you land, I don't think anyone can look at what's going on in the middle east and think things are going fine -…

Both China and Russia have claimed parts of other countries using the tactic of moving in their people to then use that as an excuse to annex or overtake those parts. Crimea for Russia as an example, but this is also true for other former Soviet states. With China it's been Bhutan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and Japan. In addition to their claims over Taiwan or their excuse to (culturall…

>Both China and Russia have claimed parts of other countries using the tactic of moving in their people to then use that as an excuse to annex or overtake those parts.

>Crimea for Russia as an example, but this is also true for other former Soviet states.

In Crimea, the proportion was 3 Russians for every Ukrainian for most of the time since at least 1897:

  1897:
  Russians 33%
  Ukrainians 11%

  1989
  Russians 67%
  Ukrainians 25%
Before 1954, Crimea was officially part of Russia, so it makes sense (Khrushev transferred it to Ukraine for infrastructure reasons).

Not sure what happened when the number of Ukrainians dropped from 24% to 15% between 2001 and 2014, I'm not aware of any mass migration during that period (independent Ukraine). On the contrary, the total population contracted from 2.4 mil to 2.2 mil (both Russians and Ukrainians).

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by kristopolous »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #880
kristopolous wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, any nationalist project on behalf of any group requiring large migration for it to work led to a removal and replacement of some group with another. United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, failed ones like Rhodesia...there's really no counter-example I can think of. Regardless of where you land, I don't think anyone can look at what's going on in the middle east and think things are going fine -…

Both China and Russia have claimed parts of other countries using the tactic of moving in their people to then use that as an excuse to annex or overtake those parts. Crimea for Russia as an example, but this is also true for other former Soviet states. With China it's been Bhutan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and Japan. In addition to their claims over Taiwan or their excuse to (culturall…

I guess my advocacy is to identify it as a social pattern and then come up with some kind of global treaty against it similar to the geneva conventions. It'd take years, there'd be lots of negotiations, people way smarter than me would opine. I certainly don't have all the answers.

I can entertain the plausibility of this form of nationalism not being a catastrophe but I can't think of any times it worked out well.

On a personal note, I harbor particularly harsh judgement on my own nation, the USA, on this front. Unfortunately there's no way to unroll hundreds of years

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Post by nailer »

alkyon wrote: post #918
nailer wrote: post #879

Posting at the top to point out that if you saw the image of a starving child recently, you’re looking at images of a child with a genetic disorder and you should reconsider which media you consume. You can also find more images of Mohammed al-Mutawaq, an 18-month-old with cerebral palsy, with his healthier sibling - which was cropped by the media to exaggerate claims of starvation.

You should also reconsider what you consumes. Must be some nasty stuff if you claim that Gaza children starvation is a media conspiracy fueled by BBC and Unicef.

I don’t think “no u” is an adequate response to the BBC and Unicef being exposed as Hamas puppets

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by nailer »

bigyabai wrote: post #920
nailer wrote: post #898

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> UNRWA The one that has a unique definiton of 'refugee' that doesn't correspond with UNs the normal definition of the term? Where many of the staff work for Hamas? Where their schools teach children to be martyrs? The one many countries have halted funding for because of this? If you want the UN, fine, UNHCR, the normal UN refugee agency.

Since when did the UN's definitions start mattering to Israel, all of the sudden? That's a new development I haven't heard yet, tell me more about it.

UNRWAs definition is different from UNHCR because it allows them to claim buildings in Gaza are ‘refugee camps’ and to claim refugee status for people who are safely resettled.

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Post by [deleted] »

JamesAdir wrote: post #592
imchillyb wrote: post #287

Removal of occupants from West Bank and Gaza, completely, was always the overall goal here. Israel doesn't seem to care overly much how this occurs, but they're making it happen. The goal is almost reached. There will be no Palestine. Egypt doesn't want the refugees. Jordan doesn't want the refugees. Qatar doesn't want the refugees. UAE doesn't want the refugees. Syria doesn't want the refugees. Lebanon doesn't want…

Can you point out to any action about the removal of West Bank arabs? There are an estimation of 2.5-3 million arabs there. There is actually a country for these people and this is Jordan. Since in '48 the arabs didn't accept the two state solution then, they are forced to live in a country which is not for them. Also, could you please point out where are they refugees from? '48 is 77 years ago, how is the 2nd and 3r…

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by asdefghyk »

asdefghyk wrote: post #215

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Ha - gets downvoted but with no comment - of how it is known or not. Their would be propaganda and embellishment from both sides.

About sides making mistakes in war - such in WCK World Central Kitchen deaths - I recall that was US claim in the deaths in about the "collateral murder" video ( about 2010 ??) from WikiLeaks - it was a mistake - the photographers telephoto lens looked like a rocket launcher?

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Post by vharuck »

aqme28 wrote: post #740
josephg wrote: post #281

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Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civilians caught in the middle of this conflict, from both Israel and Gaza. I’ve caught flak from both sides for saying so. Some people seem deadset on making an enemy of nuance.

I see your point, but it can also be frustrating when people “both-sides” every atrocity. It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.

It's less "both sides" and more "two of the four sides." There is Hamas, the weak but fanatical terrorist organization, the powerful and cruel ruling Israeli administration and military, the Palestinian citizens struggling to survive, and the Israeli citizens. The latter two are mostly not committing crimes against humanity¹. By the laws of war Israel signed into, civilians should be protected. Civilians are not parties in a war

1: The violent Israeli settlers, if certain accounts are true, are committing crimes against humanity. But you can't punish every Israeli just because they share nationality with a criminal. Just like we shouldn't starve Palestinians who live in the same area as Hamas.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

dismalaf wrote: post #583
coffeeboy27 wrote: post #578

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Not the OP but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not bombing civilians, in general, is a path exploring.

Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back? Do you just abandon them? You still answered with a negative, not a real answer.

> Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back?

I'm assuming "the hostages" you're referring to are the tens of hostages held by Hamas and the thousands of hostages held by israel. I've provided an answer to this question here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44718080

> not a real answer

According to who? Seems like a real answer to me, and I'm not sure you're the grand supreme decider of real answers :)

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Post by beAbU »

pegasus wrote: post #780
throw310822 wrote: post #709

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While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

Was it clear? Did we always ignore it? Not convinced at all. All was and is not well in Palestine, but one thing I know, it ain't cut-and-dry, and Israel going all Hamas on Palestine doesn't make it so either.

"free palestine" has been a refrain in my country at least the last 20 years as far as I remember.

I guess this has been less obvious for those living or growing up in a country that closely allied to israel.

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