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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Saline9515 wrote: post #685
johnnyanmac wrote: post #550

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I fail to see how. We have entire sections of our brain dedicated to aggression and adrenaline management. Knowing how to recognize a threat, fight, and flight is every bit as base as knowing how to breed.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11757-020-00607-y End of page 3, the author does a litterature review and finds that current studies show that exposure to CSAM increases probability of offending for those with predispositions.

Thar seems to fit with my previous readings. "those woth predispositions". The equivalent of "alcoholics withdraw when exposed to alcohol". The paper cites other studies saying as much for general indidividuals:

>SEM) and psychological outcomes: sexual satisfaction, body satisfaction, sexist attitudes and mental well-being. Participants were 252 adults recruited from universities and online who were asked how often in the last three months they had intentionally looked at (1) pictures with clearly exposed genitals, (2) videos with clearly exposed genitals, (3) pictures in which people were having sex, (4) video clips in which people were having sex. They also included some of the items used by Hald (2006) but these were not specified. There results indicated no significant indirect or direct relationships between online SEM use and any of the psychosocial outcomes and appeared to have a negligible role in current sexual functioning and mental well-being. Similarly, Landripet et al. (20191) in a longitudinal study of 248 male adolescents found that a preference for violent/coercive pornography decreased over time and was unrelated to latent growth in pornography use. The authors noted limitations in this study, but still argued for the importance of sexual education and media literacy programs aimed at a more critical evaluation of sexual media content and its potential adverse outcomes.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by pnw »

ronsor wrote: post #391
pnw wrote: post #362

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The Collective Shout group pushing for the censorship is Australian, not American. Most people are unaware of Australia's long history of censorship which continues to this day.

Australia was a prison colony, after all.

I had to remind shocked Americans when they saw Australia's COVID response that, although many Australians are descended from prisoners, a fair number are also descendants of the jailers.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by drdeca »

mandmandam wrote: post #673
drdeca wrote: post #655

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I don’t buy the “revealed a latent fetish” explanation. I don’t think people are born with a fetish baked into their soul. Like, the people with the “blueberry expansion” one, you really think they were born with that? No, of course not, that would be dumb. I think the main reason people put forth the “latent fetish” explanation is in order to argue that pornography is harmless. As for why it harms me? The purpose of…

> The purpose of sexuality is for relations with one’s spouse That's not actually true. That doctrine has been used to guilt-trip people and control their lives for many hundreds of years - but it isn't true. People are complex. We're not self-replicating machines whose sole purpose is to breed.

Where did I imply that our purpose was to breed? I don’t believe that. I didn’t even say that the relations were specifically to be reproductive.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by drdeca »

immibis wrote: post #909
toomanyrichies wrote: post #893

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To add: I had never heard of the "blueberry expansion" fetish before. But that sounds like it fits the above explanation. Five bucks says people with this fetish had a childhood experience where their parents sat them in front of a TV, put on "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", and went to make love in the next room. The kid probably figured out what was going on around the same time Violet Beauregarde turned in…

I've heard of expansion fetish before; my immediate hypothesis was that it's about mental wiring normally related to pregnancy (the same way foot fetishes are hypothesized to be related to wiring meant for your genitals). I've never heard of someone specifically wanting to be a giant blueberry but it's not hard to guess that once the general pattern of a fetish exists, specific details could be impressed by various c…

I think it is mostly consumed by men wanting to watch a woman turn into a giant blueberry, not women wanting to turn into a giant blueberry? But I’m not sure, haven’t talked to anyone who was into it.

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Post by innocentoldguy »

swiftcoder wrote: post #716
innocentoldguy wrote: post #624

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In some ways, porn is more damaging, isn't it? For example, there's a lot of sex trafficking going on in the porn industry, but not so much in the censorship industry. I strongly oppose censorship and believe that payment processors and banks should be prohibited from engaging in it. Still, I have to admit that porn can be extremely destructive.

> there's a lot of sex trafficking going on in the porn industry, but not so much in the censorship industry [citation needed] I'll grant that there is sex trafficking going on at least in the fringes of the porn industry - but that's at least in part because of censorship. If porn production was widely legal and appropriately regulated, there'd be significantly less market for the edgy stuff filmed in Eastern Europe…

Here you go:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/pornhub-sex-traffickin...

https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-re...

https://www.tokyoreporter.com/japan-news/breaking/npos-more-...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/girlsdoporn-owner-micha...

https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-porn-20160613...

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by ninetyninenine »

xigoi wrote: post #839
ninetyninenine wrote: post #425

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You know. I used to be all about what you're going for. But I realized that porn to a certain extent is like cocaine. It's possibly one of the drivers for world wide declining population. Tons of dudes satisfying themselves without the urge to go out and do the real thing. There's growing science about this too. I don't like the conservative angle which is to be "proper" or it's against god, but from the scientific s…

> Tons of dudes satisfying themselves without the urge to go out and do the real thing. As one of the “dudes satisfying themselves”, I’d happily “do the real thing” if that was an option. This is like complaining that people play spaceship simulator games instead of going out to drive an actual spaceship.

Think about it this way. If porn didn’t exist your will power to do the real thing would balloon. You would scale mountains to get it.

Like your sex drive would amp up to the point where you would spend the effort to ride the space ship.

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Post by make3 »

advael wrote: post #863

It's crazy to me that people can simultaneously understand that censorship is bad and still think we can allow for exceptions for things like "obscenity/pornography" or "hate speech" Free expression means that objectionable things will be said, even published. There are certainly hairy exceptions, like doxxing, slander, or incitement to violence that can put people in immediate danger, but stuff like this clearly doe…

I think hate speech is a separate case from porn, honestly. Porn is not ideal but it's not ideal as letting people mount hate against minorities, which imho is unacceptable

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

immibis wrote: post #903
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #897

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Yeah, circles was the inspiration. I decided to deviate from the Circles design because I want partition tolerance--and you can't do token-issuance-on-a-schedule in a partition tolerant way (no way to agree about what time it is).

Sure you can, if you can resynchronize the time whenever partitions reconnect. Some clock drift might even be ignorable. I say it's 5:00 and I have 100 tokens, you say it's 4:55 and I only have 99. Doesn't matter, I'm only spending 5 tokens anyway.

But how do you decide, when they come back together, which side was right?

I'll confess to sort of making this up as I go along, so I don't have any sources to cite here, but when I sit down and think about it I come to the conclusion that partition tolerance means that when you come across a disagreement of this kind, you can't just let the more powerful partition win (We already have that, both in banking and in blockchains. Snore.)

Consensus has to come from the circumstances of the transaction. What's the intersection of the people I trust with the people you trust? Are there transitive trust pathways between us? Calculate the consensus value based on those pathways. It comes not from whether one of us is backed by a bigger bully, but rather because we've both personally chosen to trust the people that we have, and we've provided incentives for them to continue to be trustworthy.

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Post by xigoi »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #926
xigoi wrote: post #839

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> Tons of dudes satisfying themselves without the urge to go out and do the real thing. As one of the “dudes satisfying themselves”, I’d happily “do the real thing” if that was an option. This is like complaining that people play spaceship simulator games instead of going out to drive an actual spaceship.

Think about it this way. If porn didn’t exist your will power to do the real thing would balloon. You would scale mountains to get it. Like your sex drive would amp up to the point where you would spend the effort to ride the space ship.

> You would scale mountains to get it.

You say that as if it was a good thing.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by marcjensen »

animal531 wrote: post #693
marcjensen wrote: post #692

In many countries, the sale of alcohol is restricted because the majority agrees that it is harmful to society. The same should be done with pornographic content. However, we are only beginning to learn how to efficiently limit it. Things like this will happen, but it will improve over time. Overall, I see positive progress here.

That's to stop children from accessing it while this stops anyone from doing so. The two aren't equivalent.

I'm not sure I understand you. For example in Norway, alcohol is forbidden for everyone at specific times (https://www.thenorwegianstandard.com/article/alcohol-in-norw...). Which "stops anyone from doing so".
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