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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #920
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #917

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27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. Gaza is a competely separate country/territory. They have no connection to the modern Israeli state. If anything they should be asking for Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship since the majority have kin relationships and history from there.

> 27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. How does that have anything to do with the conflict? Could there ever be 51% of Israeli citizens who are non-Jewish Arabs? That tells you why Israel will not extend rights to the majority of subjects under it's territorial control. > Gaza is a competely separate country/territory It is not. Israel does not recognize…

Not all the borders. Gaza has a border with Egypt (who also tightly control the border).

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #921
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #920

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> 27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. How does that have anything to do with the conflict? Could there ever be 51% of Israeli citizens who are non-Jewish Arabs? That tells you why Israel will not extend rights to the majority of subjects under it's territorial control. > Gaza is a competely separate country/territory It is not. Israel does not recognize…

Not all the borders. Gaza has a border with Egypt (who also tightly control the border).

Egypt had only one elected head of state, who was anti-Israel, and he has since died in prison overthrown by an autocrat who sides with the US and Israel and does their bidding. Also, at this moment, Israel controls that border completely, and they have vetoed hostage deals that would require relinquishing that control.

But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

f33d5173 wrote: post #908
dlubarov wrote: post #896

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The (arguably) relevant metric is population change during a purported genocide, not afterward.

If a definition of genocide is sensitive to where we mark the start and end of the genocide, then it isn't a very good definition of genocide. We can do the same thing with area: suppose some ethnic group was being genocided in a particular region, but overall population growth of that group was positive. Does that make it no longer a genocide? Clearly not.

The term genocide was coined specifically to refer to what happened to the Jews during WWII. Your nonsense logic doesn’t apply.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

austin-cheney wrote: post #915
amendegree wrote: post #890

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Illegal according to who? The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. “Legal” presupposes an enforcement framework and process which simply doesn’t exist as it applies to sovereign countries. But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started. Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually…

> Illegal according to who? Everyone else in the world. I can use terms like complete eradication . What percentage of buildings in Gaza remain in safe enough conditions for people to live in? The entire strip looks like a flattened dust pile. Yes, killing civilians is bad regardless of their identity. It seems like you are trying to shift ground to something unrelated because you have nothing of actual substance. No…

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

lbrito wrote: post #919
amendegree wrote: post #890

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Illegal according to who? The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. “Legal” presupposes an enforcement framework and process which simply doesn’t exist as it applies to sovereign countries. But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started. Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually…

>The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. So when the US government repeatedly calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine illegal, you are saying they are wrong, right? "Two years ago, Russian forces launched an illegal and indefensible all-out invasion of Ukraine" https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/368495...

Yes, lol a press release by the Biden DoD is propaganda not factual information.

Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

f33d5173 wrote: post #909
amendegree wrote: post #900

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This is both categorically false and completely irrelevant. The first claim is that genocide has been happening since 1948, the second claim is that it has increased in intensity in the last two years, both claims can be completely dismissed as fabrications by simply looking at the population growth of the nation that is supposedly being killed. I honestly don’t know why you would bring up the fact that the Jewish po…

The point is that genocide has to do with deliberately killing people with the goal of destroying their people or culture. Hitler failed at destroying the jewish culture, does that mean he wasn't a genocidist? Whether an attempted genocide is successful does not alter that it is a genocide, population growth numbers are irrelevant.

The term Genocide was specifically coined to refer to what happened to the Jews in WWII, its meaning doesn’t change to fit your own hateful ideology.

Population numbers are very relevant as are the intentions, actions, and policies. The only people talking about and actually attempting to commit genocide are the Arab/Muslim colonists who have been attempting to colonize and genocide the native people for over 500 years. Most recently last week in southern Syria, before that was 2 months ago in western Syria, but before that obviously Oct 7th. Due in no small part to the IDF all these attempts have failed, but until the colonists either go back to the Arabian peninsula, where they came from or at the very least stop trying to kill their neighbors there will no peace.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by exe34 »

kennywinker wrote: post #891
exe34 wrote: post #760

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But not Bashar Taleb?

Have you ever watched the TV show Alone? It’s an outdoor survival competition reality show. In it people regularly end up medically evacuated due to starvation or malnutrition. Sometimes you can tell by looking at someone’s face they’re starving - but usually you can’t. Usually it’s when they strip down for the periodic medical exam when you can actually tell how starved they are. Do you want a recent photo of this m…

Do you just believe everything you read on the internet? Or do you only believe it once $N others believe it on the exact same dubious evidence?

Funnily enough, everybody's a sceptic when buying a used car.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

tekknik wrote: post #893
scottydelta wrote: post #586

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Just like how Ted Cruz believes that Bible says that they have to defend Israel. Now if you ask him where exactly in Bible? He will deflect because his Bible is the American Evangelicals. So much for separation of state and religion.

Numbers 24:9 is the verse that states that those who support and help Israel will be blessed and those that curse it cursed.

Numbers 24:9 (and Genesis 12:3) were about ancient Israel, but Paul reinterprets them in Galatians 3:16. The true “seed of Abraham” is Christ, and the promise applies to those in Him: Christians, not Jews.

There’s no biblical mandate to support modern Israel.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by lbrito »

amendegree wrote: post #925
lbrito wrote: post #919

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>The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. So when the US government repeatedly calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine illegal, you are saying they are wrong, right? "Two years ago, Russian forces launched an illegal and indefensible all-out invasion of Ukraine" https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/368495...

Yes, lol a press release by the Biden DoD is propaganda not factual information. Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.

Don't be disingenuous. Its far from "just a press release"; its the official position of the government of the United States. There are many other instances where different parts of the government call it illegal.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

amendegree wrote: post #904
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #901

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It’s hard to believe anyone can manage the mental gymnastics required to genuinely believe what you’ve just written, yet there it is. The irony is that the only ones taking notes from Hitler’s playbook are Netanyahu and the leaders who came before him. Justifying their actions has become the modern-day equivalent of “just following orders.”

You’re not the first person in history to blame the joos for all the world’s ills and unfortunately you probably won’t be the last. But hopefully here on HN such rhetoric will be unwelcome. Nothing I wrote is untrue or even remotely eye opening. It’s all just plain facts, that the Palestinians themselves admit as supported by the sibling comment quoting from a book written by one of them.

“Modern-day Israel caused the deaths and displacement of hundreds of thousands who had lived there for centuries, all so a group exiled 400 years earlier could barge in, kill the occupants, and drive out the survivors.”

“Oh, you always just blame the joos!”

Sure, buddy lmao

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