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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by theshrike79 »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Also why are they chasing down chefs in restaurants and people on Home Depot parking lots.

Conspicuously nobody is checking agricultural businesses in red states.

Coincidence? Definitely not.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by theshrike79 »

major505 wrote: post #534
jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

yeah. A good quote from Adama, but that only applies to the US. In many places around the world the police and military are the same.

Can you list these "many places"? One or two examples?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by e40 »

CMay wrote: post #350

Everything is a constitutional crisis now, because nobody really knows what a constitutional crisis is. We're just numbing people down and normalizing the words until they mean nothing, because we aren't using them when they really matter. The details of this do not seem like they warrant calling it a constitutional crisis. When we actually face one, there won't be words we can use to describe it anymore, because we'…

DJT just talked about arresting Newsom. When asked why by reporters he said because he was a bad governor.

We can bury our heads all we want, but this seems like a constitutional crisis to me. Said another way, hiw many signs do we have to ignore before we call it one?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by e40 »

spencerflem wrote: post #793
lordfrito wrote: post #757

More and more I don't understand what's happening with all of these political articles making it to the front page of HN and stuffed full of charged comments and lots of grey. We may be smart techies but the arguments here about politics seem awfully reductive. We're out of our lane on most of this. What's with all the hate here? The commentary here feels like its sliding it's way towards Reddit. Maybe I'm wrong, or…

I think its reflective of broader society. For this issue in specific- You either think sending the military to break up protests against the wishes of the governor and mayor and against the bounds of the constituion is a problem, or you are insane. When ICE wears masks and whisks people off the street and sends them to overseas torture camps without warning or due process, you are either opposed or insane. There's h…

I very strongly agree with you. I do think there are a group of people who are just in denial, though. Not very smart people, but nonetheless they can’t seem to believe what they are seeing. I don’t know how large this group is. Perhaps it is small. The person who you replied to seems to be one of them.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by npteljes »

techdmn wrote: post #489
jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

Just watched a vid of LAPD trampling a person with a horse, then shooting them with what looked like a baton round at a range of 5-10 feet. That is a life altering injury, administered with direct intent, while the protestor was trying to flee. Holding my breath for zero consequences for unnecessary force. Not to mention qualified immunity. LAPD doing LAPD things. How can one argue that the police serve the people? T…

There is a misunderstanding compared to OP's intent. It's not that separating military and police guarantees that the police will make the police serve and protect the people. Rather, if separated, police has a better chance to serve and protect the people, compared to a situation where it's the military's job.

Consider the the separation of church and state. It's done so the government remains neutral in religious matters and does not favor or establish any religion. In reality, some churches are clearly favored. Or the review system in academia. Peer reviews are so that bullshit doesn't make it into published papers. Yet, bullshit and bias does make it into published papers.

This is just a system that is working somewhat well. With obvious, very large room for improvement. But the direction, separating military and police, is good. Just not enough.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by e40 »

Izkata wrote: post #693
csours wrote: post #229

Ahead of time, and from the inside, it looks and sounds like 'restoring proper order'. Afterwards, and from the outside, it looks and sounds like ... well read some history about attempts to 'restore proper order'. The outcome and progression is entirely and sadly predictable. It's been about 80 years since WWII. Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes f…

> Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes from the scene? Have fun reading about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio...

Been thinking about this a lot lately.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by amitrip »

falcor84 wrote: post #563
snarf21 wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

I'm confused. I don't recall anyone ever saying that we need to get rid of the poor, but rather that we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor. Did I miss my scheduled indoctrination message?

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by e40 »

kmarc wrote: post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

DJT has been using Orban’s playbook from day one. It’s going to get much worse.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by amitrip »

anonfordays wrote: post #724
pwarner wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

You clearly posted false statements. Are you able to retract or delete your comment?

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by averageRoyalty »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #916
averageRoyalty wrote: post #912

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone outside the US, I find this strange. You have a democratically elected president, elected in part on a platform of removing illegal immigrants. He is now removing illegal immigrants. That is democracy at work, is it not?

The presidency is only legally afforded some powers. The issue here isn't Trump's fulfilling of campaign promises. The issue here is if Trump is following the law while doing so.

This is well out of my area of expertise, but isn't illegal immigration a federal issue, and the federal agencies answer to the executive branch?

My understanding of the protests is they're primarily against the removal of illegal immigrants and as Trump has taken control of (?) some state elements that has become a contentious point, but wasn't to begin with.

Normally I'd read up more before discussing with people, but the news article seem pretty blurry on the primary intentions of the protesters and what specifically they are against.

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