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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

rayiner wrote: post #829
lobsterthief wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category is statistically insignificant. It’s not even worth framing.

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I remember when you claimed the APA didn't apply to this. At least now you don't bother to defend based on legality and are cool with forcing your 'totally not corrupt' single totalitarian viewpoint on the country in order to counter... corrupt totalitarianism.

Get rid of Harvard and the person you mentioned would just... go somewhere else. You aren't actually advocated FOR anything, just saying 'there are bad people in the world'. Um, ok, yeah, we know that. That's why we disagree with you empowering those we see as bad people but that you defend illegally empowering/illegal behavior of because you happen to agree with them.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by fnordpiglet »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #283
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

Here’s a case in point - future queen of Belgium kicked out of college by the president of the United States:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5316202-future-queen-...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #900
AlecSchueler wrote: post #804

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He could care less is the common phrase by now, even if it doesn't make literal sense.

"Could care less" used as a snarky response makes sense, as in, "I could care less, but I don't want to put in the effort." Using that phrase without a sarcastic intonation is still incorrect.

Could care less meaning couldn't care less. It's the same thing as how literally has come to be used with the meaning of figuratively. If you look up "could care less" in the OED you'll find it lists it under American English with the meaning "could not care less."

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Terr_ »

moralestapia wrote: post #897
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #873

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You could probably get round immigration requirements by "gifting" a jet or something

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"That's a fantasy" is just substance-free scoffing, be specific. Ex:

1. "Trump isn't that corrupt."

2. "They'll try, but federal law will successfully interrupt the bribe at some stage."

3. "That hyper-exact event is improbable... but perhaps a slightly different favor or a different way of Trump extracting personal gain."

P.S.: For more context, two days ago Trump's Secretary of Commerce was promoting website to go live this week for selling (personally invented, illegal) "Gold Card" visas. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/21/business/us-gold-card-investo...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #890
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #881

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What isn't comparable? I agree what's going on is unprecedented in living memory.

> What isn't comparable? So-called pressure from the Biden admin on universities to implement DEI type policies vs blackmail-level coercion from the Trump admin to get rid of them and lean the other way. Also, the notion that DEI policies came about through Biden admin is patently false. Institutions and companies started implementing these years ago in response to public attitudes, and this really took off after the…

I agree with all of this

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #868
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #858

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Often, these protests were overtly supporting an organization officially classed as "terrorist" (HAMAS). The Americans making foreigners who are found to openly support a known terrorist organization leave is par for the course, I would say. If you showed up at the German border and told them you were a HAMAS supporter, my guess is you wouldn't get in. Now, the Trump admin is not this careful, and many people who are…

None of this allows the government to compel Harvard to do something. The government can revoke visas and deport people (after due process) if it wishes to and believes it can make its case.

We agree!

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #908
sneak wrote: post #906

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Enough with this “known terrorist” nonsense. Verbally expressing support for terrorist groups is still protected speech.

Few understand this. You’re allowed to openly advocate for whatever absolutely insane, horrific ideas you want. You’re allowed to be a Nazi, you’re allowed to be a Hamas (non-financial) supporter, you’re allowed to be a pro-Gaza genocide advocate if you want. You can advocate for the extermination or enslavement of all black or white or Christian or atheist or gay people if you want. You may (and probably should) bec…

YES!

The question is: To whom do these rights extend in the U.S.?

They certainly don't extend to foreigners at the border (any country would rightly turn away an avowed Al-Qaeda member). Foreigners in the U.S. are in the U.S. at the pleasure of the government.

Do foreigners currently in the U.S. have these rights? I don't know for sure, maybe it's not a settled issue. My guess is that the U.S. gov't asks "Are you a terrorist?" at the border for good reasons, and one reason is so they can kick you out for lying to them when they learn you're a HAMAS supporter.

Should they have these rights? I'm honestly not sure of my feeling on this. Perhaps the way to handle it is to prevent the renewal of a visa or re-entry, but not actually kick anyone out for it.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

sneak wrote: post #906
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often, these protests were overtly supporting an organization officially classed as "terrorist" (HAMAS). The Americans making foreigners who are found to openly support a known terrorist organization leave is par for the course, I would say. If you showed up at the German border and told them you were a HAMAS supporter, my guess is you wouldn't get in. Now, the Trump admin is not this careful, and many people who are…

Enough with this “known terrorist” nonsense. Verbally expressing support for terrorist groups is still protected speech.

It's protected speech if you're a citizen, but it's not clear to me that non-citizens, especially when they're at the border rather than within the country, would be so-protected.

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Post by mulmen »

rayiner wrote: post #896
victorbjorklund wrote: post #845

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That makes no sense. In what way is all well-off families in South Korea or Japan evil?

Nobody said “evil.” But do you think it’s a good thing for ordinary americans to have the children of chaebols owners rubbing shoulders with the children of Fortune 500s CEOs?

…Yes? This is the foundational concept underlying free speech and liberal education.

In a liberal society ideas live and die by their merits and we all benefit by the best ideas floating to the top.

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Post by henrikschroder »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #792
henrikschroder wrote: post #356

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If you've ever waded into ragebaity online discussions, for example Europeans taunting Americans about the lack of public healthcare or basic worker rights, there will always be a loud contingent of Americans spouting counter-arguments based in American Exceptionalism, claiming that everyone else somehow, magically, has the US to thank for its standard of living. It was always easy to dismiss those as uninformed moro…

>there will always be a loud contingent of Americans spouting counter-arguments based in American Exceptionalism, claiming that everyone else somehow, magically, has the US to thank for its standard of living. The entire second part of your comment shores up exactly this notion that everyone else has the US to thank for its standard of living and that the country is exceptional. Underlying all the things you list: th…

The post-WWII order was deliberately designed by clever American politicians who realised they could leverage the untouched industrial base and built-up military capability to become a world superpower, in an alliance with Western Europe. All of these policies were and are 100% America First, because the US has always been the primary benefactor of it all, but they've been marketed as some kind of benevolent altruistic goodwill-project that "leader of the free world" simply "has to do" because it's "the right thing".

Bullshit. It's naked greed all the way down. Exceptional? Exceptionally greedy more like it.

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