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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by JustExAWS »

disqard wrote: post #352
JustExAWS wrote: post #161

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A tech company can’t shoot me with impunity under “qualified immunity”. Put me in jail, harass me because I don’t look like a belong in my own neighborhood, take my property under civil forfeiture without a trial…

You're right about these most serious adverse outcomes, but don't forget what could happen if you (say) randomly get your Big Tech account locked/suspended/banned for some reason that was ultimately erroneously flagged by an AI, and then cheerfully executed at scale. The examples you provided are more fundamental and I won't trivialize them, but making you lose your "keys to your own digital space" is a very real pow…

Okay? I lose my Google account and lose my Google Photos, they are also backed up to iCloud and One Drive and vice versa. All the music I bought back in the day from iTunes is DRM free and has been since 2009.

I lose my Amazon account, so what?

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jijijijij wrote: post #879
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #850

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On the contrary, demands that aren't founded in reality are often easier to satisfy, because pure rhetoric can shift the narrative much more easily than it can shift reality. Going back to Denmark again, if you pulled out charts and tried to track the objective quantity of immigration, you'd have a hard time identifying any policy shift. But as you say, immigration restrictionists were never looking at these charts i…

Honestly, I get the impression your objective is to get a foot in the door for a certain idea, so to speak. Concern trolling ("just" preservation of Danish culture, huh?!), constructing a narrative where legitimizing neonazi parties through compromise is without alternative. You are not even addressing the foreign influence with these movements, the threat of social media reality distortion. Although, you tried to pr…

If you want to win AfD voters, what you fundamentally have to do is present a vision that inspires AfD voters and convinces them to join your side.

Does this mean adopting AfD positions and trying to water them down a bit? Not necessarily, I agree that populist-lite is always going to lose to the original. But it means convincing immigration skeptics, gender traditionalists, perhaps even Russia fans and climate change deniers that they're allowed to be on your side. It's a hard but necessary line to straddle. I struggle with it myself - I spent a while over the weekend trying to find some good flyers to leave on people's Teslas, until I sat down and asked myself why none of the major protest organizers are encouraging this.

And once you start thinking within the realm of strategic moderation, immigration sticks out as an obvious compromise to make. Restricting immigration has few catastrophic downside risks, is easy to roll back if circumstances change (unless you do it in a catastrophic Trumpian way...), and unless your population pyramid is really unhealthy doesn't involve many tradeoffs with other policy areas.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by actualwitch »

arandomusername wrote: post #919
actualwitch wrote: post #916

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Again, I provided a whole list, you just refuse to count them. Even the SSA cut alone will result in people being unable to access the services they need, as repeatedly discussed in media: https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-social-security-office-cl... If you still insist that none of what I posted fits your definition of social net being dismantled, I invite you to post a definition that you have in mind. Given that…

That does not make it dismantled. People can still get social security. Just because some office is closed and now they have to travel further or do it online, does not make it dismantled. Dismantled means destroyed. To take apart. It means that people can no longer rely on it. Them having to use the internet instead of calling is not dismantling.

Okay, as you yourself said, dismantled means taking apart. Here's a dictionary definition of it: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/take-apa.... SSA actually is a great example of this happening, as the existing social nets are split into different parts and one-by-one parts are removed as to not cause a reaction from populace. This is why I previously mentioned frog boiling machinery, as it is a part of divide-and-conquer tactic. This is why I mentioned the first they came for socialists poem.

And if you read the article I linked, you would find there why this effectively removes access to it for some people. Some of the people in most vulnerable groups of population who need these nets most don't have access to reliable transportation and internet or struggle using devices to access it. It doesn't mean they don't deserve to have it.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by arandomusername »

actualwitch wrote: post #923
arandomusername wrote: post #919

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That does not make it dismantled. People can still get social security. Just because some office is closed and now they have to travel further or do it online, does not make it dismantled. Dismantled means destroyed. To take apart. It means that people can no longer rely on it. Them having to use the internet instead of calling is not dismantling.

Okay, as you yourself said, dismantled means taking apart. Here's a dictionary definition of it: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/take-apa... . SSA actually is a great example of this happening, as the existing social nets are split into different parts and one-by-one parts are removed as to not cause a reaction from populace. This is why I previously mentioned frog boiling machinery, as it is a pa…

SSA still exists, it wasn't dismantled.

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Post by freejazz »

arandomusername wrote: post #918
freejazz wrote: post #915

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>If I address any of those points, would I be nitpicking and picking on minor details? If you only did that while ignoring my main point, yeah. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp. >The user brought up groping and injecting bleach. I refuted the bleach argument, leaving the groping argument alone. It's also not technically right, it's completely incorrect and absolutely disingenous framing. Disa…

It's like going in circles with you. Let's start simple. > He provided more than two What other reasons did he provide?

It's in his post. Why am I going to be quoting verbatim from his post at this point in the conversation?

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Post by arandomusername »

freejazz wrote: post #925
arandomusername wrote: post #918

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It's like going in circles with you. Let's start simple. > He provided more than two What other reasons did he provide?

It's in his post. Why am I going to be quoting verbatim from his post at this point in the conversation?

So just those two then. Otherwise you would have mentioned the other reasons.

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Post by freejazz »

arandomusername wrote: post #926
freejazz wrote: post #925

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It's in his post. Why am I going to be quoting verbatim from his post at this point in the conversation?

So just those two then. Otherwise you would have mentioned the other reasons.

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Post by actualwitch »

arandomusername wrote: post #924
actualwitch wrote: post #923

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Okay, as you yourself said, dismantled means taking apart. Here's a dictionary definition of it: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/take-apa... . SSA actually is a great example of this happening, as the existing social nets are split into different parts and one-by-one parts are removed as to not cause a reaction from populace. This is why I previously mentioned frog boiling machinery, as it is a pa…

SSA still exists, it wasn't dismantled.

You should go ask people who can't access it anymore if it was dismantled enough.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by [deleted] »

_Tev wrote: post #911
mulmen wrote: post #823

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As an American please be careful blaming all of us for this. Less than 1 in 4 Americans voted for Trump. It doesn’t mean you need to buy an F-150 but please separate the concept of the American people from the GOP voter base. The complexities of our electoral system and our unique racist history made this very hard to avoid. Please don’t assume Americans in general wanted this or are ok with it. > nobody took the Naz…

> Less than 1 in 4 Americans voted for Trump Yea and it seems the 75% of population cannot do anything about Trump now. I wonder when people will wake up to the fact that USA does not actually have a democracy.

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