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Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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Possibly a reaction to Bill Gates recent statements that it will begin replacing doctors and teachers. It's ridiculous to say LLMs are incredibly useful and valuable. It's highly dubious to think they can be trusted with actual critical tasks without careful supervision.

I think it's ridiculous to say LLMs are NOT "incredibly useful and valuable", but I 100% agree that it's "highly dubious to think they can be trusted with actual critical tasks without careful supervision".

Yeah that's actually what I meant to type

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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I think LLM skeptics and cheerleaders all have a point but I lean toward skepticism. And that's because though LLMs are easy to pick up, they're impossible to "master" and are extremely finicky. The tech is really fun to tinker with and capable of producing some truly awesome results in the hands of a committed practitioner. That puts it in the category of specialized tools. Despite this fact, LLMs are hyped and valued by the markets like they are breakthrough consumer products. My own experience plus the vague/underwhelming adoption and revenue numbers reported by the major vendors tell me that something's not quite right in this area of the industry.

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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What I find interesting is that my experience has been 100% the opposite. I’ve been using ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini for almost a year (well only the ChatGPT for a year since the rest are more recent.) I’ve been using them to help build circuits and write code. They are almost always wrong with circuit design, and create code that doesn’t work north of 80% of the time. My patience has dropped off to the point where…

>They are almost always wrong with circuit design, and create code that doesn’t work north of 80% of the time. Sorry but this is a total skill issue lol. 80% code failure rate is just total nonsense. I don't think 1% of the code I've gotten from LLMs has failed to execute correctly.

Do you work in circuit design?

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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Sabine is an obvious grifter. Crazy to see her on the frontpage of HN

It’s weird that LLM bulls not not directly engage with the criticism, which would characterize as a fairly standard criticism of hallucination. Hallucinations are a problem. I don’t know who Sabine is but I don’t have to.

Same with the top reply from Teortaxes containing zero relevant information, which Twitter in its infinite wisdom has decided is the “most relevant” reply. (The second “most relevant” reply is some ad for some bs crypto newsletter.)

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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I think there are multiple conversations happening that are tying to converge on one. On one hand, LLMs are overhyped and not delivering on promises made by their biggest advocates. On the other hand, any other type of technology (not so overhyped) would be massively celebrated in significantly improving a subset of niche problems. It’s worth acknowledging that LLMs do solve a good set of problems well, while also be…

Yes, exactly. There is a bell curve of hype, where some people think autoregressive decoders will lead us to AGI if we just give it the right prompt or perhaps a trillion dollars of compute. And there are others who haven’t even heard of ChatGPT. Depending on which slice of the population you’re interacting with, it’s either under or over hyped.

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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Walk into any coffee shop or office and I can guarantee that you'll see several people actively typing into ChatGPT or Claude. If it was so useless, four years on, why would people be bothering with it? I don't think you can even be bullish or bearish about this tech. It's here and it's changing pretty much every sector you can think of. It would be like saying you're not bullish about the Internet. I honestly can't…

> It would be like saying you're not bullish about the Internet.

The Internet is great, but it did not usher in a golden age utopia for mankind. So it was certainly possible to overhype it.

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

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I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me…

I totally agree, and this community far is from the worst. In trans communities there's incredible hostility towards LLMs - even local ones. "You're ripping off artists", "A pissing contest for tech bros", etc.

I'm trans, and I don't disagree that this technology has aspects that are problematic. But for me at least, LLMs have been a massive equalizer in the context of a highly contentious divorce where the reality is that my lawyer will not move a finger to defend me. And he's lawyer #5 - the others were some combination of worse, less empathetic, and more expensive. I have to follow up a query several times to get a minimally helpful answer - it feels like constant friction.

ChatGPT was a total game-changer for me. I told it my ex was using our children to create pressure - feeding it snippets of chat transcripts. ChatGPT suggested this might be indicative of coercive control abuse. It sounded very relevant (my ex even admitted in a rare, candid moment that she feels a need to control everyone around her one time), so I googled the term - essentially all the components were there except physical violence (with two notable exceptions).

Once I figured that out, I asked it to tell me about laws related to controlling relationships - and it suggested laws either directly addressing (in the UK and Australia), and the closest laws in Germany (Nötigung, Nachstellung, violations of dignity, etc., translating them to English - my best language). Once you name specific laws broken and provide a rationale for why there's a Tatbestand (ie the criterion for a violation is fulfilled), your lawyer has no option but to take you more seriously. Otherwise he could face a malpractice suit.

Sadly, even after naming specific law violations and pointing to email and chat evidence, my lawyer persists in dragging his feet - so much so that the last legal letter he sent wasn't drafted by him - it was ChatGPT. I told my lawyer: read, correct, and send to X. All he did was to delete a paragraph and alter one or two words. And the letter worked.

Without ChatGPT, I would be even more helpless and screwed than I am. It's far from clear I will get justice in a German court, but at least ChatGPT gives me hope, a legal strategy. Lastly - and this is a godsend for a victim of coercive control - it doesn't degrade you. Lawyers do. It completely changed the dynamics of my divorce (4 years - still no end in sight, lost my custody rights, then visitation rights, was subjected to confrontational and gaslighting tactics by around a dozen social workers - my ex is a social worker -, and then I literally lost my hair: telogen effluvium, tinea capitis, alopecia areata... if it's stress-related, I've had it), it gave me confidence when confronting my father and brother about their family violence.

It's been the ONLY reliable help, frankly, so much so I'm crying as I write this. For minorities that face discrimination, ChatGPT is literally a lifeline - and that's more true the more vulnerable you are.

Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs

#930
Not everyone is as impressed as us by new tech, especially when it's kinda buggy.

The article makes a lot of good points. I get a lot of slop responses to both coding and non-coding prompts, but I've also gotten some really really good responses, especially code completion from Copilot. Even today, ChatGPT saved me a ton of Google searches.

I'm going to continue using it and taking every response with a grain of salt. It can only get better and better.

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