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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

iamEAP wrote: post #871

Think a lot of people here are missing the forest for the trees. We are witnessing the collapse of the unipolar world order that has brought relative freedom and prosperity to most of the world for the last three and a half decades. I don’t know what comes next. No one does. But Europe needs a deep-rethink of a lot more than just defense if it wants to have any say in what the next world order is going to look like.…

With Russia and China reaching out to each other after many decades of nearly no contact and Trump reaching out to Russia after about a decade, it might as well be a sign of the very opposite.

This might genuinely be the birth of a true unipolar world order.

No idea if that's good or bad...

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by questinthrow »

The elephant in the room is that America doesnt want Russia to lose. Russia is basically America's dog, used to scare European countries in spending either 2% or soon maybe 5% of their GDP to america in order to be "protected". It's a racket and both the USA and Russia are colluding.

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Post by belter »

jmward01 wrote: post #506

US policy is now one of forcing the world into a zero sum game and it is a shame because the world isn't zero sum. This means the world will loose the gains from friendship and cooperation that increase the overall outcome for everyone. It is like living in a city where crime is expected so everyone puts up iron bars on their windows and the parks are all locked-down nightmares. When there is trust and cooperation yo…

Two critical items who give away the total compromise of the administration.

During the conference Trump was asked when did he talk to Putin last time and said "a couple of days ago". No official communication was made about that. I am not referring to the initial call mentioned a few weeks ago.

A TASS reporter got into the Oval Office, and was kicked out when this was flagged by other members of the press. The normal accredited journalists can't easily get into the Oval Office, there is a much more rigorous process for that.

Somebody from the current US Administration, wanted this prearranged ambush, to be broadcast live to Russian audiences.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by [deleted] »

overview wrote: post #733

We’re only weeks since Trump taking office. Watching the full video, I think to me it seems there’s a mismatch in the response from HN and the reality of what happened there and is happening with the war. Ultimately, people are dying everyday in this war. I wonder if it’s in the best interest of those still alive to continue fighting and dying, or settling with territory being lost. If there really is no end in sight…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by casenmgreen »

nrawe wrote: post #297

So, watching the video as a brit with a number if Ukrainian friends and colleagues, my first reaction is that this is the Trump Whitehouse looking for a cheap win. However, I think their calculation here speaks to the difficulty of the current situation. Putting aside the morality, sovereign integrity, and such: the situation appears to be entering/in a stalemate. The Ukrainian forces have done well to proactively ta…

Used to be UA needed EU+USA.

Now EU, sans USA, needs UA, because EU is militarily weak.

If UA falls, EU will fall also; it cannot stop Vladimir, and this before considering the massiive impact of drones, which only RU and UA know how to operate effectively.

EU+UA is enough to keep UA up and this protects EU.

All in all, EU will keep UA up, however it is done, and in the end it will require EU military involvement. Maybe we get there sooner now, rather than later.

I think the capability to retake lost UA terrain belongs to USA and massive military buildup in UA.

EU military in UA keeps UA up just fine, but doesn't retake terrain - not enough military force for that.

Ends up with cease-fire, and UA not in NATO, as USA/HU/SK will prevent it, but probably security guarantees and troops on ground from rest of EU.

Everyone then settles down to the next cold war (and RU economy post-war spends a while in strong recession, taking immediate pressure off).

Problem is, Vladimir effectively subverts Western elections through social media.

How do you have free and fair elections with that going on?

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Post by k__ »

basisword wrote: post #389

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

In Germany, we just voted two man-babies (Merz and Söder) into power.

The only hope I have, is they want bolster their ego with a strong EU.

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Post by rayiner »

jmward01 wrote: post #506

US policy is now one of forcing the world into a zero sum game and it is a shame because the world isn't zero sum. This means the world will loose the gains from friendship and cooperation that increase the overall outcome for everyone. It is like living in a city where crime is expected so everyone puts up iron bars on their windows and the parks are all locked-down nightmares. When there is trust and cooperation yo…

The U.S. pulling back from policing the world is good for everyone except the europeans who were free-riding on the american military budget. How many deaths and trillions of dollars of waste resulted from liberal internationalism in the 20th and early 21st century? Vietnam, Korea, Iraq? The Iraq War should have discredited the whole project and resulted in throwing the “promoting democracy” folks into gulags. But they regrouped masterfully.

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Post by hmm9900 »

Hard not to think Zelensky wants Ukraine war to leak out to Europe. This was the case when Ukrainian army shot rockets above Polish terriory resulting in two deaths, Ukraine never apologized. Same as they proclaimed Stepan Bandera their national hero, honestly crimes committed by germans during wwII were nothing compared to what UPA led by Bandera did. I hope this war will be soon over.
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