What is stopping me from using something like Proton in the same way? Why does the UK government simply make an example out of Apple on this one?
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#922>Online privacy expert Caro Robson said she believed it was "unprecedented" for a company "simply to withdraw a product rather than cooperate with a government. That is such a self serving comment. If Apple provides UK a backdoor, it weakens all users globally. With this they are following the local law and the country deserves what the rulers of the country want. These experts are a bit much. In the next paragraph t…
This is actually an increasing concern, that large multinational companies are so powerful that they don't have to obey governments any more, and can instead blackmail them by withdrawing products. Pornhub has done this in US states. Meta has threatened to do it in various countries. There has always been pushback to regulation from powerful companies, but punishing countries by withdrawing products seems to be used…
Google News pulling out of Spain..
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#923"Existing users' access will be disabled at a later date." Hmmm how? How can they decrypt your already end-to-end encrypted and uploaded data without you entering the passphrase to do so? I can understand them removing the data from iCloud completely, or asking you to send the keys to Apple, but I don't understand how they can disable the feature for already uploaded data.
They will lock UK users out of iCloud until they manually disable ADP. When a user turns off ADP in settings, their device uploads the encryption keys to Apple servers.
What if the users don't agree to disable ADP? So if one pays for iCloud+, they'll be refunded? And what happens to their already uploaded data? Is it deleted?
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#924>Online privacy expert Caro Robson said she believed it was "unprecedented" for a company "simply to withdraw a product rather than cooperate with a government. That is such a self serving comment. If Apple provides UK a backdoor, it weakens all users globally. With this they are following the local law and the country deserves what the rulers of the country want. These experts are a bit much. In the next paragraph t…
This is actually an increasing concern, that large multinational companies are so powerful that they don't have to obey governments any more, and can instead blackmail them by withdrawing products. Pornhub has done this in US states. Meta has threatened to do it in various countries. There has always been pushback to regulation from powerful companies, but punishing countries by withdrawing products seems to be used…
I disagree but respect your opinion. Companies have the right to free speech. In the tussle between regulators and companies, companies are disadvantaged. If we can force companies to do the regulators bidding and not allow them to use free speech to act in their best interests, we would have global tyranny. The regulators and companies both acting towards their own goals with freedom allows us to have a world with balance.
I believe in this however I think we are testing limits of this approach with scenarios like the one with encryption. Ideally privacy needs E2E encryption. But concerns on misuse of such technology that governments raise are also not without merit. I wonder if this tussle between regulators and companies can end in any way in which privacy is not compromised. Mathematically it doesn't seem that there is a way to be safe and private.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#925Earlier quoted context omitted.
> hopefully the US turning from leader of the free world to Russia's tool So much humour in one short phrase. Do you really believe your propaganda or is it just absentmindedly parroting pro permanent war talking points?
What would you call the ridiculous claim that Ukraine started the war? Who else does that serve but Russia?
"your honour, they repeatedly hit my fist with their face".
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#926Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is possible to set up end to end encryption where two different keys unlock your data. Your key, and a government key. I assume google does this. 1. encrypt data with special key 2. encrypt special key with users key, and 3. encrypt special key with government key Anyone with the special key can read the data.the user key or the government key can be used to get special key. This two step process can be done for g…
E2EE means only your intended recipients can access the plaintext. Unless you intend to give the government access to your plaintext, what you described isn’t E2EE.
Yes, but going by that, most messaging services advertised as "E2EE" are already not E2EE by default. You trust them to give you the correct public keys for peer users, unless you verify your peers in-person. Some like iMessage didn't even have that feature until recently.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#927What's stopping Apple from launching an AppleTV-esque device that functions as personal iCloud storage?
The design of ADP is that even taking control of the data centre won't allow access to the information held within. Decentralising the service makes it significantly harder to write ham-fisted legislation that aims to prevent tech companies from offering secure products.
Additionally there isn't a technical need for ADP to interface with iCloud. Apple could feasibly release free software for DIY ADP.
My expectation is that either the UK will alter the law, or Apple will work around it. I don't think we're looking at the end of this.
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#929Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure shooting at the government would have solved this privacy issue.
Surprisingly, the people in the government don't much like being shot. See the reaction to the UHC CEO for an example.
This is a decent point.
They're now getting investigated by the DOJ and their stock tanked
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#930What's stopping Apple from launching an AppleTV-esque device that functions as personal iCloud storage? The design of ADP is that even taking control of the data centre won't allow access to the information held within. Decentralising the service makes it significantly harder to write ham-fisted legislation that aims to prevent tech companies from offering secure products. Additionally there isn't a technical need fo…
Commercial security is pure theatre at the end of the day. Apple could pretend to make a big stink, release a new encrypted Time Machine or leave the UK... but why? None of that makes them money. It's a band-aid for the user freedom that was amputated decades ago.
I don't expect Apple to fight this like, say, the EU regulations. Without a profit incentive, it's hard to mobilize Apple to seek a solution.