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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by account42 » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 10:33 AM UTC

xboxnolifes wrote: post #316

ghaff wrote: post #247

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>People don't really read or check emails because spam became a serious problem. With the tabs in Gmail, very little leaks through to my primary inbox that isn't relatively immediately relevant (and not a lot of mail total). Often don't look at Promotions at all and maybe glance at Updates once a day or so. Email is useful for me though, yes, a lot of my interaction with my circle of friends is over texts.

There is still a lot of "spam" if you don't spend the effort creating filters or unsubscribing to the new notification list that companies like to make every few months. Hell, my inbox is covered in invoices, receipts, disclosures, required actions, ToS changes, etc., even though I've spent some time setting up filters for some of the common receipts.

Sounds like lots of transactional mail for services you signed up to with that mail. Sign up to less crap or use a different mail from the one you use to communicate with real people.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by basisword » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 11:35 AM UTC

thegeomaster wrote: post #827

basisword wrote: post #791

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>> So the pay-per-message economic conditions that caused many Europeans, etc., to switch to WhatsApp back in the day didn't do anything in the USA. I see this listed as the reason often but I had unlimited SMS then too. In fact I remember visiting the US in 2009 and I was charged to send AND receive an SMS which was a shock. I think the actual reason is that communication across borders in Europe is very common and…

Viber is alive and well nowadays and is the dominant messaging app in quite a few geographies. Given that Facebook Messenger seems to also have about the same MAU as WhatsApp (and seems to be dominant in the US), I don't think you can say any one of those "won".

>> Viber is alive and well nowadays and is the dominant messaging app in quite a few geographies

Interesting! I haven't heard mention of Viber since around 2011. When I said WhatsApp 'won' I meant that wherever I have been in Europe WhatsApp seems to be in use by people and by businesses. It's almost accepted you'll have an account and used as an alternative to email/phone numbers. I understand global MAU may show a different reality and certain locales may still be dominated by other platforms.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by account42 » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 11:53 AM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #313

PaulHoule wrote: post #260

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A lot of legitimate email (password resets and stuff) gets eaten up by spam filters

We have a family email domain for my extended family, administered by a few retired but very tech-savvy relatives (both had long IT careers) and it’s roughly 50:50 whether a message sent to everyone@ lastname.com will actually show up in people’s inboxes or not. It’s probably 75:25 that a reply all to that list will show up, but modern email is a dumpster fire.

Is this using some cloud-based email host where you don't have any control over the spam filter? Otherwise, whitelisting (verified) senders from your own dowmain should be very much possible.

E-Mail isn't some magic that randomly drops mails. Mail servers are even resilient against network problems and will retry dilevery MANY times. What you are describing is NOT normal and would make using it for business basically impossible, which is not the case since email is still the primary b2b communication method for many companies.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by account42 » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 11:57 AM UTC

leptons wrote: post #368

wenc wrote: post #186

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Platform fragmentation is a generational thing. I thought email was a common denominator but I learned most people don’t check email or check it rarely. So different from the days when everyone had email. I still use FB and so do many of my friends my age (mid to late 40s). But a bunch have also migrated to Instagram. Among the younger generation, you’re a millennial if you’re on instagram because they’ve moved to Ti…

My wife is late 40s and just deleted her facebook account, and she's the most FOMO person I know - and she did this because of zuck capitulating to trump. A lot of people have had it with companies supporting fascists.

Lol so you/your wife were OK with all the spying and manipulation via ads but not being negative enough towards the democratically elected president is where you draw the line? Hysterical.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by ghaff » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 12:24 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #921

xboxnolifes wrote: post #316

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There is still a lot of "spam" if you don't spend the effort creating filters or unsubscribing to the new notification list that companies like to make every few months. Hell, my inbox is covered in invoices, receipts, disclosures, required actions, ToS changes, etc., even though I've spent some time setting up filters for some of the common receipts.

Sounds like lots of transactional mail for services you signed up to with that mail. Sign up to less crap or use a different mail from the one you use to communicate with real people.

I used to use a separate email when I ordered things etc. Once Gmail tabs came in, I pretty much stopped doing so because it was too much trouble to monitor a second email address because I actually care about receipts, order tracking, etc. a lot of the time.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by worthless-trash » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 1:13 PM UTC

Schiendelman wrote: post #801

worthless-trash wrote: post #671

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I use it every day and across multiple countries in Asia Pacific with no issues. Maybe its your phone going overseas and not working correctly.

On what device?

Samsung S22+, Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 (aka everywhere but europe).

I buy an Esim for countries I visit, usually before I go. Add it before the flight, sometimes in the country.

List of countries I have worked with: Singapore (Roaming), Indonesia, Malaysia (I may have been roaming in Malaysia) I can't find the esim info, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, India (Maybe i was roaming, can't remember).

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by pohuing » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 1:43 PM UTC

john2x wrote: post #378

thesuitonym wrote: post #320

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iMessage has been compatible with RCS for months now.

A quick search suggests the Android user end needs to install 3rd party apps for it to work? Has that changed recently?

I wrote an "SMS" to the previous tenant of my new flat recently and it got seamlessly upgraded to rcs. With me on an android and them on an iPhone. This was using Google messages, which was the default on my zenfone for sms

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by nkotov » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 2:13 PM UTC

I just used it for my annual Super Bowl party. What a crappy experience.

I sent the link - the receiving person has to sign-in into iCloud using their Apple ID to confirm. That process requires them to authenticate with MFA. Once said and done, they finally mark as attending and I get a nice notification with their Apple ID picture and name. I sent it to several people, only one completed it successfully. Rest just gave up at the login stage.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by whstl » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:07 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #920

whstl wrote: post #292

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The problem for me is not so much real spam, this gets filtered. The problem is the massive amount of work required to unsubscribe or clean up automated emails from apps and websites, both transactional and non-transactional. I know way too many techy and non-techy people who have thousands of unread email messages from those apps. A lot of people I know don't really answer to real email anymore, unless they know som…

Spam filters can be trained. Just mark anything you don't want and didn't explicitly sign up to as spam, "legitimate" sender or not. Problem solved.

If everyone in a city wants to go crap in some place, I'm not gonna be the one cleaning their shit. I'm just gonna stop coming there.

Email is just a public toilet. I'm not gonna work hard so I can pretend it's a five star restaurant.

I'm already doing my part by not making it worse.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Schiendelman » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:13 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #915

lostlogin wrote: post #664

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I want nice things, zero cost and complete privacy without adverts. Why is this so hard? /s

It's pretty easy actually - most open source software fits the bill. Quality software can be pretty cheap to make per user. The only problem is services where hosting costs need to be paid somehow and network effects mean that for-profit competition will win the market even if the product is inevitably enshittified. Doesn't matter how good your open and community funded event platform is if Apple and Facebook can aff…

What open source software is a "nice thing"? We're talking about high quality user experience here. I don't think it's controversial to say that's vanishingly rare in OSS.