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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by justin66 »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #908
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

What you see hostile to repair I see as not worth stealing. What you see as macOS dictating what you can run from where I see as an infiltration prevention.

They certainly are worth stealing. They get parted out and Apple's hostility towards making parts available means those stolen parts are worth more.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by talldayo »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #908
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

What you see hostile to repair I see as not worth stealing. What you see as macOS dictating what you can run from where I see as an infiltration prevention.

What you see as anticompetitive payment processing on iOS, others may see friendly and harmless business model. HNers, be respectful when criticizing bigger companies like John Deere and Apple - it's important you don't hurt these customer's feelings and scare them off.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by talldayo »

traceroute66 wrote: post #679
lukev wrote: post #554

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Of course I wish the hardware were somehow more open, but to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. If you allowed third-party components without restraint, there'd be no way to prevent someone swapping out a component. Lock-in and planned obsolescence are also factors, and ones I'm glad the EU (and others) are pushing back here. But it isn't as if there are no legitimate tradeoffs.…

> I wish the hardware were somehow more open Some of us are old enough to remember the era of the officially authorised Apple clones in the 90's. Some of us worked in hardware repair roles at the time. Some of us remember the sort of shit the third-party vendors used to sell as clones. Some of us were very happy the day Apple called time on the authorised clone industry. The tight-knit integration between Apple OS an…

Some of us remember that Franklin Computers never tried to monopolize and subsequently exploit a captive userbase for recurring service revenue.

Some of us might even be of the opinion that such a competition was beneficial to consumers that wanted more.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by BossingAround »

ptmcc wrote: post #490
jader201 wrote: post #483

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> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

My 2015 15" MBP is also still kickin, is/was an absolutely fabulous unit. Was my work machine for 3-4 years, and now another almost-6 years as my personal laptop. My personal use case is obviously not very demanding but it's only now starting to really show its age. I also have a M1 from work that is absolutely wonderful, but I think it's time for me to upgrade the 2015 with one of these new M4s. The longevity of Mac…

Honestly, my Thinkpad from 2015 was still used in my family until recently. The battery was pretty bad, same as on my 2015 MBP, but other than that, I put Fedora on it, and it was still really fast.

Longevity is not only a thing of MBPs. OTOH, IIRC, some 2017-2019 MBPs (before the Mx switch) were terrible for longevity, given their problematic keyboard.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

baggachipz wrote: post #910
nobodyandproud wrote: post #898

I suspect that like many here, I’m often tech support for my family. I found a Mac to be just as simple and troublefree to support as a Chromebook, but more capable. I was very pleasantly surprised, coming from mostly Windows (and a dash of Linux).

My parents simply refuse to consider anything but Windows, even though the ever-changing Windows UI keeps pissing them off. It's like a mental block or something.

I stopped supporting Windows. Mom had to swap if she wanted support from me.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by flemhans »

garyrob wrote: post #518
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #371

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Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

"I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it." Me too. Only one complaint. After I accidentally spilled a cup of water into it on an airplane, it didn't work. (However AppleCare fixed it for $300 and I had a very recent backup. :) )

Mine fell off from the roof of a moving car at highway speeds and subsequently spent 30 mins being run over by cars until it was picked back up. Otherwise no complaints.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by sroussey »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #540
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

I have the same problem with graphics cards (not upgradable—and cost more than the pc they are in!)

Same with server parts using HBM—won’t let me upgrade memory there either.

That said, the apple ssd situation is abysmal. At least with memory they have reasons.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by pjerem »

nsonha wrote: post #890
superb_dev wrote: post #551

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Apple also left a very convenient hole in their boot loader to allow running another OS. Linux works pretty well these days

Really? I got a bunch of error upgrading my Arch-based Asahi and now chromium doesn't work anymore. Oh and no external display, or speaker.

You mean you have bugs on a system that isn’t announced as production ready yet ?

I tested Asahi and I genuinely love it and I’ll probably be happy to use it as my daily driver as soon as it will be mature enough. And I’m impressed by how it works well (outside of what still doesn’t work at all).

But buying a Mac ARM hopping to run Linux on it today without issue is just a wrong move. Just buy a classic PC if you want to be productive on Linux today.

I’m pretty confident it will happen though since the team itself looks pretty confident about supporting what is currently missing and in the past, achieved more than I hoped.

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