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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by crazygringo »

shmoogy wrote: post #683
crazygringo wrote: post #668

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Exactly this. Regular users keep their photos and videos in the cloud these days, whether iCloud or Google Drive. And video editors are going to be using external drives anyways, the internal SSD is just for scratch. If Macs were used more for gaming then that would be a major reason... but they're not.

I bought my wife a base storage mini with this assumption and her iCloud messages was 95gb because of all the pictures and videos sent. There is no way to offload it or move it to store on my nas, or an external HDD that I could find It's a very intentional thing to try to make you need more space. I pay $30 a month for the 6tb iCloud plan and could find no other workarounds other than logging her out of iMessage - w…

If her iCloud backup is 95gb then it only costs $3/mo. for the 200 GB plan [1].

If you're paying $30/mo. for the 6 TB storage plan then that's because you're choosing to store a ton of stuff there. It's certainly not because of your wife's messages. And you're making my point for me -- I do the same! $10/mo for 2 TB. It's great.

Cloud pricing is pretty decently competitive when you compare it to building your own storage with the same reliability, which is going to involve redundant on-site hard drives in a NAS, and an extra off-site backup.

You can also just delete the largest iMessage media files directly from the phone, there's literally a feature for that. Since most people don't really care about saving any of the videos or images after they've been seen, or you can save them individually to your Photos at the time if you do care. I do a mass-delete every year or two.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/108047

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by kwanbix »

dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

Those are the things that Apple does to milk you the most money.

To think mid to premmium smartphones come with 256GB by default and 8~16GB of RAM.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by fourfour3 »

seabird wrote: post #664
exe34 wrote: post #425

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> It sounds a bit mean-spirited, but I think it's pretty telling that as the gravity of the work increases, you see less and less Apple products being used to do it. it does sound like envy. I hate macos post 10.8ish myself, but the hardware is pretty solid. my 12 year old Mac book air would be enough for my work although I have to use a windows laptop issued by work. I don't want to dox myself, but I'd say my work i…

There's definitely some envy -- the hardware is beyond solid. It's definitely bordering on the best there is if it isn't already there. macOS as a computing environment is just too far off the beaten path in too many ways to realistically deal with, which is why Windows absolutely dominates everything everywhere that isn't Bay Area web-based software companies. Not to say that Windows is particularly good, but for mo…

There's still an awful lot of Mac around.

It's very common in networking, sysadmin/devops, and web development in the UK, for instance. I go to a reasonable number of industry events and MacBooks are definitely the majority at these.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by apercu »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #366

Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

I'm still using my 2017 27" iMac Retina, and vastly prefer it for most things over my 2020 M1 MacBook Pro (which I dislike primarily for not having volume buttons).

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by duped »

mysteria wrote: post #598
dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

Do regular users use more than 250GB or so of local storage? Large media collections are likely stored on a NAS or external HDDs and the local disk is more for the OS, apps, and scratch space. Nowadays many files are on the cloud as well. Developers, video editors, and other people who actually handle large amounts of data locally will likely purchase an upgrade. While they're Linux systems pretty much all my desktop…

This reads like Apple Stockholm syndrome.

I haven't bought a device with less than 1TB storage in a decade. The users that you're talking about would be happy with a Chromebook or iPad, not a $1k+ machine that ostensibly is for "pro" work. In fact the last time I did it, it was an Apple device and I wouldn't buy one again.

AAA video games will take 100GB of local storage. I'm not claiming Apple is good for gaming, but they pretend Macs can game - never mind you can't fit many games on an entry level Mac.

I haven't checked recently but iirc a hefty chunk of disk was used by the system too - so 256GB isn't really 256GB for a user. It's more like 128.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by vehemenz »

jjcm wrote: post #630
vehemenz wrote: post #516

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You've convinced me, but it really shows the limitations for 16:9 when these are our options. Two largish 28" 4:3 monitors would be a nice middle ground.

Consider the samsung 57" ultrawide. ‎7680x2160 resolution. Lots of usable space, but a better form factor for productivity than a TV. https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-DisplayPort-Mini-LED-DisplayH...

Ultrawides are intriguing, but I'm not sure it's more flexible than a multi-display setup. Not to mention we've had 2160 pixel height displays for well over 10 years now.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by vehemenz »

al_borland wrote: post #752
vehemenz wrote: post #390

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Considering most people put the Magic Mouse in the shelf and never use it, I don't think fixing the charge port is high on anyone's list.

If they are serious about their environmental goals, they should want all their products to be good enough to be used, not keep making something they know people aren't using.

Agreed. Unfortunately the ergonomics and the touch surface of the Magic Mouse make it unusable for most people. The charging port issue is a red herring because it doesn't really affect anything but gets lots of attention.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by qup »

shiroiushi wrote: post #838
Schiendelman wrote: post #764

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Waterproofing. It really is that simple. The math would never work out trading that for easy replaceability. And every average user can get a shop to replace their battery.

The old Samsung Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a user-replaceable battery, so your argument doesn't hold water.

If it's waterproof and you get the water on the inside, it should in fact hold water

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by insane_dreamer »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #647
insane_dreamer wrote: post #254

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> not upgradeable and not portable your average user (aka not HN-er) doesn't upgrade their computer an all-in-one solution is very attractive for families or situations where you don't need to tote around a laptop and you want a large screen

Average user tells average HNer their computer is slow and the HNer does the upgrade.

Fair
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