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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

lagniappe wrote: post #903
ang_cire wrote: post #728

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> to show you ad-supported floating product descriptions in-place as you shop Just so we're on the same page... you do think this is a bad thing, right?

Bad in current context or in future context? Imagine telling someone in the 1700's that in the future you'd have a glass lens in your eye (no polymer membranes yet) to see better, or wires attached to your heart. They'd consider you a heretic.

Ok, but ads aren't going to fundamentally shift away from being a method to induce people to consume unnecessarily in 300 years. That's just what they are.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

keiferski wrote: post #784
ang_cire wrote: post #727

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You've actually got it backwards. There's a reason that mice and keyboards are faster and more accurate than touchscreens, and it's that there is a physical+visual feedback occurring that our brains are used to processing when handling other physical objects. Touchscreens have no haptic component (or they have a vibration that is disconnected from the action that you're actually doing on the screen), so you're relyin…

Keyboards may be more efficient, but do you see people using blackberries today? If your theory was correct, we wouldn’t all be using touchscreens.

> we wouldn’t all be using touchscreens

We're not, for tasks that require speed and accuracy (like typing). We're mostly using keyboards and mice/ trackpads. Touchscreens are used on low-impact, secondary devices like phones or tablets.

I've never once seen someone, whose work is digital, replace their computer with a phone as their primary work device.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by happyopossum »

nox101 wrote: post #691
taneq wrote: post #649

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Does Apple buy my transaction records from Mastercard to cross reference against my chat and email logs? (Serious question, I hope not though.)

they don't need to buy the transactions. they have apple pay that integrates your cards into their system. then they push apple pay everywhere both offline and on. eventually they will own all the data

> they have apple pay that integrates your cards into their system

A feature which they've loudly and publicly said many many times they can't use for tracking your purchases, as they anonymize the data before it gets to them.

Apple has a long history of not using user-generated data for their own use, sometimes to their own detriment.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by pazimzadeh »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #828
pazimzadeh wrote: post #670

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> It's also possible they don't ever put out an offering in this form factor Couldn't disagree more, if it was possible to bet on this I would bet all my money that they do release something like this. It'll probably be called the Vision Air or something. I don't remember which article it was, but there are reports that Tim Cook only agreed to fund and ship the Vision Pro because he was told that the same tech will b…

I'll gladly take that bet. Apple is known to be very conservative with hardware form factors, and the AVP was a huge risk for them, and a departure from their previous ways of working that they'll be reluctant to return to after its failure.

If there is a secure/verified way to take the bet I will gladly put some money up! So if Apple sells an eyeglass-like form factor AR product, then I win right? I guess we need a deadline? 2040?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by pazimzadeh »

nilkn wrote: post #813
pazimzadeh wrote: post #699

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AVP is AR. They made a big deal of being able to place windows all around and above your workspace, but taking advantage of this requires large head movements. I had a Quest2 but sold it years ago. I'm not comparing AVP to any previous VR experiences, I don't even remember what the FOV felt like.

Not the same thing. AVP uses passthrough video, which is subject to the same field of view as the virtual content. These glasses are actually glasses, so the real world has an "unlimited" field of view -- only virtual content exists in the 70 degree FoV. You can emulate this on the Vision Pro by removing the light seal entirely. It makes a dramatic difference, but also makes it impossible to use virtual environments…

Ok I see. Allowing the real world through would still make you turn your head to see content placed around you though.

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Post by bordercases »

talldayo wrote: post #906
Meniceses wrote: post #894

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Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news (covid, human harrassment etc.), probably someone died due to lack of taking ownership/responsibility, election fraud through not acting on it. Yes i do like Llama but lets be honest who paid for it and for what. Just because suckerburg gives us nice toys... He could actually start giving his money away to humanity in a relevant and mean…

> Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news Guess what? New iOS features and YouTube videos are paid-for and provided in the exact same way . Both Apple and Google are complicit in spreading misinformation, advertising to kids and profiting from lootbox/microtransaction revenue. But nobody consciously objects to Apple for partnering with Taboola , or Google for supporting extrem…

To be fair, you don't know what the poster believes about those services either.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by thomastjeffery »

We have been waiting quite a while for holographic lenses to hit the market.

I get that this kind of form factor is exciting, but all I really want is a Pimax with these lenses.

If Facebook (Meta) put out a below-average spec headset (think Quest 1 specs, or even worse) today, and put holographic lenses in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

AR is cool and all, but that's not the reason holographic lenses are exciting to me. The real reason is that they don't have a fixed focal depth. That alone is the single most significant limitation of contemporary VR.

Just imagine: No more IPD adjustment (that can never be perfect, because pupils move). No more godrays. No more stretched projection. No more prescription inserts. Holographic lenses are a leap forward, and it feels like these companies have just been sitting on it, absolutely clueless, for half a decade now.

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Dear Billionaire Oligopolists, please stop waiting until you have completely finished designing and building the distant future, and sell what you have today.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by WorldMaker »

ActionHank wrote: post #803
commakozzi wrote: post #799

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it's a prototype...

Doesn’t matter. Don’t show it to the public if you don’t want their opinion. Assuming meta knew this, it’s pretty insane that there are people defending the honour of their billion dollar corporate bff.

Even when it isn't a "prototype" and simply just doesn't have a consumer version, the public will be negative about it. Look at the Apple Vision Pro. That's a shipping product with a massive negative public opinion because it doesn't have a consumer version and no one understands if they are "Pro enough" to care to buy one. Look at Microsoft HoloLens. That was a shipping product with some large Enterprise and Government customer contracts. But the public perception of it was miserable, which is partly why Microsoft dumped a lot of their research in that area and lost of their brains in that area to Meta, so it's ironic and hilarious to see Meta making the same mistakes again that Microsoft already made with a variation/iteration of the same tech.

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Post by slothtrop »

jiggawatts wrote: post #417
brikym wrote: post #372

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Cocomelon are already focus group testing their addictive hypnotic kids videos. They don't need millions of kids to develop this crack for kids, just a dozen or so.

Speaking of which, I just recently blocked Cocomelon on my kid’s iPad. How insane is it that a company is purposefully putting out crack in video form targeted explicitly at toddlers!? Brought to you by the same people that thought cigarette candy was a brilliant idea.

As opposed to any old Saturday morning cartoon? I was about to say "without the ads", but Netflix is pushing those hard. They're all designed to keep engagement.

I'm not sure what people expect kids to do on iPads except watch stuff, 99% of the time.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by thomastjeffery »

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

That's why this AR sunglasses bid is absolutely the wrong move.

Someone needs a lesson about the uncanny valley. Short story: unless you are all the way at the top go down, not up. Lean into the goofiness that your limitations demand. Make a decent new thing, not a strange old thing.

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