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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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In his final 6 months, set up a plan for a Constitutional amendment that puts an upper age limit of 75 at the start of a term of office for Members of Congress, Senators, POTUS, VPOTUS, Executive appointments requiring Senate consent, Judges, with compulsory retirement at 75 for lifetime appointments.

Some say and I agree that he should have gone all the way in, and resigned

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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In his final 6 months, set up a plan for a Constitutional amendment that puts an upper age limit of 75 at the start of a term of office for Members of Congress, Senators, POTUS, VPOTUS, Executive appointments requiring Senate consent, Judges, with compulsory retirement at 75 for lifetime appointments.

I don't think a magic number is the right solution here.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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My god. I really didn‘t think he would actually do it.

There was never any risk of me voting for Trump, but when I watched the debate it became abundantly clear that Biden could not win an election. He came off as an extremely frail old man and I had my doubts that he would survive the entire debate , let alone another four years in office. I'm a pretty left-leaning person and I find Trump to be an overwhelmingly unappealing idiot in general, but even I had to admit that…

I don't like to admit it. He has charisma and he's funny in a way that's very fitting to current internet culture.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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My god. I really didn‘t think he would actually do it.

Meh, it was a downward spiral after the debate. No way he was going to last long. Even Manifold politics had him at 20% two weeks ago. And 10% for the past week.

Possible. But I thought his stubbornness would prevail. He's so close in behaviour to my late grandparents, I really did not think he would pull out.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would not think they were very aware this was a possibility? Because it is a shock to you, you assume it would be a shock to them? Do you really think they read the news to find the news? Or do you think there are layers and levels that you are not privy to?

Because Trump is an idiot but his movement of grifters is not. If Trump was smart he’d have picked a candidate of color. Instead he went with a mediocre Peter Thiel VC plant who wants to make America like the Handmaid’s tale. I think they were banking on Biden staying in and being stubborn. Do you really think Biden would leave his son’s incarceration up to chance? That he voluntarily left the run for POTUS is huge a…

> If Trump was smart he’d have picked a candidate of color.

Sounds racist. How about he pick the person best suited for the role?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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> That is just calling yourself a liar Yeah, because politics is where truth famously reigns supreme.

Agreed. But it doesn’t mean people need to have as little character as possible.

You are what you are when no one is looking. If you would have ever voted for Biden, you don’t get to complain about Trump’s age.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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post #919

In his final 6 months, set up a plan for a Constitutional amendment that puts an upper age limit of 75 at the start of a term of office for Members of Congress, Senators, POTUS, VPOTUS, Executive appointments requiring Senate consent, Judges, with compulsory retirement at 75 for lifetime appointments.

The President has no role to play in the Constitutional amendment process.

Biden could use his time to promote one, but there is absolutely no way it can be done in six months. A Constitutional amendment is an enormous hurdle to overcome -- three-quarters of the state legislatures.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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I don't think most democrats actually care who the president is as long as it isn't Trump. That's why they voted for Biden in the first place. It is kind of ironic though that the party of "saving democracy" will not put the winner of the primaries as their candidate but I think practically speaking there is already somewhat of a consensus among the party for doing this. Also see polling that shows Harris with equal…

I believe you, and the more I read the more I am seeing this same sentiment. It’s just wild to me.

Part of it is that there really wasn't a primary in the first place. Democratic voters gave their consent to Biden on the understanding that he was capable of beating Trump again. As it became more clear that that wasn't the case, it became less reasonable to rely on that consent. Polls have all along shown voters preferring someone else by a substantial margin, although I don't know that they ever agreed on the someone.

There is a degree to which this move is "less democratic", but we have to be careful. It is less democratic in the governance of the Democratic Party, but it's worth noting that the Democratic Party is not a polity. Running someone who can win instead of who the party chose might be a more democratic outcome with respect to the organization that matters more.

There's absolutely room for this to be taken too far. With mostly just the two parties, elites could (and arguably did, pre-'68) use these kinds of concerns as cover for excluding certain perspectives from power. That's something to watch for, but given the context it is obviously not what is happening here when the person being excluded is the current President, with the support of the party elites up to this point.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

Romney appeals to the sort of people who own multiple houses. Most Trump supporters are working class concerned about the price of groceries, who would probably be better served by a left-wing pro-labor politician but won't vote for one because they abhor the progressive social policies that get bundled with that in America. So they vote for the guy who plays lip service to their problems while talking smack about progressive social stuff.

Romney is politically obsolete. He serves no further purpose in American politics.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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i understand the significance of this news for majority of the users here, but unsure if it fits the guidelines of what should be discussed here. > If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

I think there are exceptions allowed for major events (if only the keep all of the discussion in one place, preventing it from bleeding into the rest of the site).

It would be nice if the added a "Major Events" discussion list to this page for things like this : https://news.ycombinator.com/lists
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