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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by anon291 »

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It should be within the bounds of speech for people part of our society already Not for people were considering allowing to join our society

Immigrants don't need "our" permission to join "our" society, they only need the permission of the government, as a matter of legal formality. And of course one could argue that "illegal immigrants" are a part of society, just not legally, because societies aren't only defined in the context of states. Also free speech is a universal value, is it not? It should apply equally to everyone, everywhere, all the time, and…

Free speech is a universal human value but realistically America is in a league of its own with what speech it allows.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by anon291 »

danenania wrote: post #590
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American values are... Pretty much static. We've been very anti government for a very long time. Left, right, center... Everyone solidly agrees they need less governance Leftists will scream about civil rights. Right wingers will tut tut about high taxes. Centrists will complain about both. But the message is clear... Less government. More individual autonomy

American government since the beginning of the 20th century has been on a nearly uninterrupted trend of increasing state power, both domestically and internationally. Politicians sometimes pretend to be anti-government to get votes, but every administration spends more than the previous one. I wouldn’t call that static.

Meh... Not really true. In aggregate, perhaps, but things go back and forth.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by codexon »

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> Countries with a highly successful immigration system, notably Canada You probably aren't aware of this but that is definitely not the sentiment with Canadians recently. https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/top/?sort=top&t=year

Canadian here, but not speaking on half of all Canadians. We do have a highly successful immigration system, but don't have a highly successful infrastructure. There is a housing crisis. The irony is I believe in the longer term Canada will face an immigrant shortage and not a housing crisis. As a born Canadian I am seeing less & less value to immigrating to Canada unless you're coming to employed as a Uber driver/Fo…

Ok and what about all the people in that subreddit complaining about lack of jobs and healthcare? It's not just a housing crisis.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by diogenescynic »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

I'm for limited immigration but not how it is right now when there are millions entering the country each year and we're not building more homes to keep up with the new demand and we already have a housing crisis. Immigration should be orderly and law based.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ransom1538 »

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OR. They lost a gamble. They picked Russia over the US and lost, big.

Khmmm... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose

From your link:

"It (Operation_Mongoose) was officially authorized on November 30, 1961 by U.S. President John F. Kennedy."

JFK was shot in the head (most likely Oswald visited Mexico City and the Cuban and Soviet consulates). So... even more bad gambles by Cuba.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ithkuil »

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How much is that a selection bias (they are the ones that left and went to the US after all)

Definitely selection bias but well-founded. The unmotivated masses tend to follow the de-facto system that entrenches the successful few. The remaining motivated and competitive people on the other hand leave for better pastures. People who emigrate from countries whose governments micromanage the population tend to have the worst opinion about them. Not that dissimilar from people who ditch bosses who micromanage =)…

The world would be a quite different place if the majority of people in each country made rational choices for their own good. I don't think we should single out Cubans for that

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Post by psychoslave »

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The path from Jewish emancipation in law to Jewish integration in practice was slowed and stymied by antisemitism at every turn, to greater and lesser degrees in different countries. It is hard to believe that Jews were ever regarded as true equals, broadly, in a country which willingly handed over so many to the Nazis. And of course in Spain, Jews were not full citizens and the practice of Judaism was simply forbidd…

the people who “handed over so many to the nazis” - what makes you think they wouldn’t or didn’t gladly hand over non-jews if the regime demanded it? your point about judaism being forbidden in spain until 1978 is shocking, thank you for that. I would strongly recommend the following essay, which I read in an ethics class and found extremely powerful. The essay argues that humans can relatively easily be persuaded or…

>Destroying the innocent with a clear conscience: A sociopsychology of the Holocaust

That sounds as a very weak perspective to start with. That is, what if "they" are not "innocent"? There is definitely a standard out there that will allow to judge us as guilty of some heretic behavior, whoever we are.

Surely it would not be very wise to judge a book by its title, though.

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Post by SaintSeiya »

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And BTW is not the 10% only, is around the 20%, close to 2 million cuban's has left in this last 2 years. Everyone is escaping that sinking ship. The government is fully militarized and even complaining about your kid's food can land you in jail for 10 years.

Do you have any advice for those with resources and desire to help Cubans leave?

Thanks, we need all the world visibility and support we can get.

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Post by alwa »

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> Nobody is sending missiles to Cuba anymore. Or are they? https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-in...

China is Cuba's main commercial partner but their relationship is purely commercial. A military cooperation has surely not even crossed their minds.

E.g. https://features.csis.org/hiddenreach/china-cuba-spy-sigint/

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Post by pydry »

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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

Ah yes, sanctions. That's what everyone said when I was in Venezuela toward the end of Chavez. Couldn't possibly be incompetence or corruption.

It wasnt sanctions but pretty much every extremely oil rich country that is fought over is a basket case, run by a vicious dictatorship or are the sole exception lucky enough to make it work - Norway.

Like Cuba, Venezuela was a poverty stricken mess before the socialists took power.

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