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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by jeswin »

TreetopPlace wrote: post #522
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI...

Depends on where you are. Apple will bend over backwards when profits are affected, as you can see in China.

Ironically, the only time a large company took a stand at the cost of profits was in 2010 when Google pulled out of China over hacking and subsequently refused to censor. Google has changed since then, but that was the high watermark for corporates putting principles over profits. Apple, no.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by adrianmsmith »

It seems they didn't address hallucination at all?

Presumably this hallucinates as much as any other AI (if it didn't, they'd have mentioned that).

So how can you delegate tasks to something that might just invent stuff, e.g. you ask it to summarize an email and it tells you stuff that's not in the original email?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Etheryte »

Slyfox33 wrote: post #842
Etheryte wrote: post #790

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No one else is doing this stuff without sending your data off to a remote server. This is a crucial distinction, especially when it comes to personal data.

But apples implementation also sends stuff to remote servers. "To run more complex requests that require more processing power, Private Cloud Compute extends the privacy and security of Apple devices into the cloud to unlock even more intelligence. With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests."

For complex queries, yes, but everything they can, they do on-device. No one else does that, even if you ask ChatGPT what's 2 + 2 it'll go to their servers.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwaite »

jeswin wrote: post #921
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI... Depends on where you are. Apple will bend over backwards when profits are affected, as you can see in China. Ironically, the only time a large company took a stand at the cost of profits was in 2010 when Google pulled out of China over hacking and subsequently refused to censor. Google has changed since then, but that was the high watermark for corporates putting…

> Google pulled out of China over hacking and subsequently refused to censor

My impression is that they had little chance to survive in a Chinese market, competing with a severely limited product against state-sponsored search products while also being a victim of state-sponsored cyberattacks.

It was the morally correct decision, but I don't know if they were leaving any money on the table doing so. I suspect the Google of today would also decide not to shovel cash into an incinerator.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by jajko »

harry8 wrote: post #853
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..." I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing. The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy.…

Don't expect balanced objective opinions on Apple on HN, that was never ever the case. Some of it are tech enthusiasts, some are maybe employees or investors, some is paid PR.

Nothing wrong there per se, its just good to realize it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by BoringTimesGang »

tomcam wrote: post #697
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

I’ll be thoroughly impressed when Siri learns my wife’s name for good. Yes, I trained it, but somehow the lesson was forgotten.

Ah, you mean my good friend 'heart emoji wife heart emoji'

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by rock_artist »

What's not clear to me during that time is, how will this work on pre-M1 / pre-iPhone 15 devices. (also worth noting that iPhone 14 Pro is almost identical to iPhone 15 in terms of CPU... which is odd, especially when someone bought "Pro" tier...)

If I have some "AI" workflow on my MacBook Pro and then it's broken on my iPhone, I would most likely to entirely stop using it, as it's unexpected (I cannot trust it) or in Apple words... lack continuity...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by audessuscest »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #922

It seems they didn't address hallucination at all? Presumably this hallucinates as much as any other AI (if it didn't, they'd have mentioned that). So how can you delegate tasks to something that might just invent stuff, e.g. you ask it to summarize an email and it tells you stuff that's not in the original email?

you really have to try hard to make a model hallucinate when asked to summarize an email. I think they didn't mention it because they can't guarantee 100%, but it's virtually on non-issue for such task.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwaite »

bayindirh wrote: post #916
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

When enrolling physical security keys to my accounts, only Google's process requested extra, identifiable fields in my key, generating a warning in Firefox, which can anonymize these fields. Google wants to track even my physical security key across sites to track me. How can I trust their AI systems with my data?

The attestation on (FIDO certified) security keys is a batch attestation, and meant to correspond to a a batch size of at least 100,000.

So they were effectively asking for the make and model.

There are non-certified authenticators which may have unfortunate behaviors here, such as having attestations containing a hardware serial number. Some browsers maintain a list and will simply block attestations from these authenticators. Some will prompt no matter what.

There is also a bit of an 'Open Web' philosophy at play here - websites often do not have a reason to make security decisions around the make and models of keys. Having an additional prompt in a user conversion path discourages asking for information they don't need, particularly information which could be used to give some users a worse experience and some vendors a strong 'first-mover' market advantage.

In fact, the motivator for asking for this attestation is often for self-service account management. If I have two entries for registered credentials, it is nice if I have some way to differentiate them, such as knowing one of them is a Yubico 5Ci while the other is an iPhone.

Many parties (including Google) seem to have moved to using an AAGUID lookup table to populate this screen in order to avoid the attestation prompt. It also winds up being more reliable, as software authenticators typically do not provide attestations today.

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