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Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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The USD was a 'commodity currency' up until 1971 thanks to Bretton Woods. It was convertible to gold at a fixed rate, and other currencies were, in turn, pegged to the USD. The idea was to have the stability/security of a backed currency, with the convenience of a fiat one. The security was intended to come from the fact that if the US printed too many dollars, devaluing the USD, then other countries would buy up tho…

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/y6p7mh/wtf_h... Top answer here is good. Sorry someone posting a link to the absolutely insane conspiracy-tinged 1971 site gets an auto-ignore from me. Have a good life.

Hahah, I can see you now furiously searching for 'wtfhappenedin1971 debunked.' Of course there is no debunking it as the site's just a collection of data, primarily from the US government. The data just happens to be quite inconvenient for pro inflation economic arguments.

I actually used to be of the same mindset as yourself, but it increasingly seems to me that the general preference for inflation based economics is much more of a status quo bias than something as strongly supported by data as one would think. There's also a simple logical problem you run into. When you give government the power to freely print infinite money, who do you think they're going to disproportionately direct that money towards?

Recent times actually provide one of the clear illustrations of the problem. Mega corporations take on multi billion dollar contracts from the government at way beyond market rate markups, then the moment the economic weather shifts even slightly they start large layoffs. The reason is not because the integrity of the company is threatened or anything of the sort, but simply to continue maximizing value for shareholders. It's not hard to see how with monopoly money economics you start an exponential increase in many things, like income inequality.

Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Tether is a stablecoin. It’s not getting devalued unless/until there’s a run on it and it goes tits up altogether.

If you print it you either devalue the underlying dollar (and therefore tether), or you risk a run just as you would if you printed bitcoin. You can't just print money without side effects.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAJl-wZElg

Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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> just leave and live somewhere else, taking their wealth with Wealth can't really use to purchase anything with is not real wealth. If you can't convert bitcoin to $/€ it becomes effectively worthless > History shows that societies with the hardest money win. Objectively not true. Look at what happened with Britain after 1918 when tried doing everything they could to stick with "hard" money and avoid devaluation/dro…

> Wealth can't really use to purchase anything with is not real wealth. If you can't convert bitcoin to $/€ it becomes effectively worthless I agree, that is why Bitcoin was supposed to be electronic cash, you were supposed to be able to pay for everything with it. Bitcoin (BTC) doesn't scale today to this purpose, but you can still use it to pay directly for some products and services as long as the other party will…

Lightning and in the future, lightning stablecoins.

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> Wealth can't really use to purchase anything with is not real wealth. If you can't convert bitcoin to $/€ it becomes effectively worthless I agree, that is why Bitcoin was supposed to be electronic cash, you were supposed to be able to pay for everything with it. Bitcoin (BTC) doesn't scale today to this purpose, but you can still use it to pay directly for some products and services as long as the other party will…

And how would seller pay taxes? They didnt get any fiat, they can't off-ramp it presumably(otherwise buyer would have done it), and now guy with a gun comes and demands his share, what happens?

Why pay taxes when your don't have to?

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So, I have to go through a multitude of swaps, i.e losses, if Bitcoin is the real deal?! I've tried it, it's even more expensive than doing it directly!

Sorry you lost me. Can you please clarify?

If Bitcoin is a wealth store and I need to convert Bitcoin to USDC, let's say, just to make a payment, or if I get paid in USDC and have to convert it back to Bitcoin to store, then I still need to pay even more than just the Bitcoin fees if I pay directly in Bitcoin or get paid directly in Bitcoin! Often the margin on the crypto currency conversion is higher than the Bitcoin network fees.

Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Not by any stretch of the imagination. A highly volatile asset isn't suitable for storing value reliably. This is because the chances of you having to liquidate your position at a loss are very high.

personal experience?

No, I have a background in finance.

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Bitcoin has no day to day usage because of its volatility. The more ETFs like that appear, the lower it's volatility, and thus you will be able to see real world usage pop up. Also, the more regulation, the easier it will be to hold and use BTC to buy stuff.

I use Bitcoin almost every day. Using fiat rails is painful.

> I use Bitcoin almost every day

Please explain how!

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The possibility of change exists, but one of the hardest promises Bitcoin makes is that you can't change the rules mid-game like what happened with stocks. That is one of the most attractive things about this asset class - if the US regulators want to change how a crypto is traded ... tough biscuits. They have to convince the market participants, globally, to trade the new way. The bar might be orders of magnitude hi…

Aren't the vast majority of market participants already operating outside the blockchain, relying on exchanges and sometimes on so-called "L2" networks like Lightning? I think the majority of Bitcoin and Ethereum proponents are already talking about them as "digital gold" instead of digital currency. The mining pools have also blocked any attempt to make the Bitcoin blockchain more efficient at transactions (by keepi…

If everyone used Bitcoin, everyone could do about one or two transactions in their lifetime. The network cannot handle more than that.

Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Actual document: https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/sro/nysearca/2024/34-99306.p... and archived one, just in case you receive 404: https://twitter.com/coinfabrik/status/1745192170942800341

SEC Commissioner Caroline A. Crenshaw's dissenting statement is also worth a read

https://www.sec.gov/news/statement/crenshaw-statement-spot-b...

particularly the section "The Global Spot Markets Underlying the Bitcoin ETPs are Marred by Fraud and Manipulation, Concentrated, and Without Adequate Oversight

Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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My prediction is that Bitcoin will become fully institutionalized within twenty years, to the point that the “Bitcoin” held by investors are entirely disconnected from the theoretical blockchain. A similar thing happened with stocks. Not so long ago they used to be physical pieces of paper. You could trade shares peer-to-peer and even anonymously by handing over the share certificate to someone in person. For dividen…

Actually the current Bitcoin ETF approvals are entirely cash settled - you buy with dollars and when you sell you get back dollars, you can't put BTC in or get 'your' BTC out.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-03/bitcoin-s... https://archive.ph/y3H2y

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