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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Some perspective ... One developer (Ilya) vs. One businessman (Sam) -> Sam wins Hundreds of developers threaten to quit vs. Board of Directors (biz) refuse to budge -> Developers win From the outside it looks like developers held the power all along ... which is how it should be.

There are three dragons: Employees, customers, government. If motivated and aligned, any of these three could end you if they want to. Do not wake the dragons.

The Board is another one, if you're CEO.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#922
What a delightful shit show. I don't even personally care whether Sam Altman is running OpenAI but it brings me no end of schadenfreude to see a bunch of AI Doomers make asses of themselves. Ethical Altruism truly believes that AI could destroy all of human life on the planet which is a preposterous belief. There are so many better things to worry about, many of which are happening right now! These people are not serious and should not hold serious positions of power. It's not hard to see the dangers of AI: replacing a lot of make-work that exists in the world, giving shoddy answers with high confidence, taking humans out of the loop of responsible decision making, but I cannot believe that it will become so smart that it becomes an all powerful god. These people worship intelligence (hence why they believe that with infinite intelligence comes infinite power) but look what happens when they actually have power! Ridiculous.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#925

With Sam coming back as CEO, hasn't OpenAI board proven that it has lost its function? Regardless of who is in the board, they won't be able to exercise one of the most fundamental of their rights, firing the CEO, because Sam has proven that he is unfireable. Now, Sam can do however he pleases, whether it is lying, not reporting, etc. To be clear, I don't claim that Sam did, or will, lie, or misbehave.

Imagine if the board of Apple fired Tim Cook with no warning right after he went on stage and announced their new developer platform updates for the year alongside record growth and sales, refused to elaborate as to the reasons or provide any useful communications to investors over several days, and replaced their first interim CEO with another interim CEO from a completely different kind of business in that same wee…

You forgot: and offered the company for a bag of peanuts to Microsoft.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#926

For some reason this reminds me of the Coke/New Coke fiasco, which ended up popularizing Coke Classic more than ever before. > Consumers were outraged and demanded their beloved Coke back – the taste that they knew and had grown up with. The request to bring the old product back was so loud that soon journalists suggested that the entire project was a stunt. To this accusation Coca-Cola President Don Keough replied o…

I tried New Coke when it was re-released for Stranger Things. It really is a lot better than Coca Cola Classic. It's a shame that it failed.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#927

With Sam coming back as CEO, hasn't OpenAI board proven that it has lost its function? Regardless of who is in the board, they won't be able to exercise one of the most fundamental of their rights, firing the CEO, because Sam has proven that he is unfireable. Now, Sam can do however he pleases, whether it is lying, not reporting, etc. To be clear, I don't claim that Sam did, or will, lie, or misbehave.

Imagine if the board of Apple fired Tim Cook with no warning right after he went on stage and announced their new developer platform updates for the year alongside record growth and sales, refused to elaborate as to the reasons or provide any useful communications to investors over several days, and replaced their first interim CEO with another interim CEO from a completely different kind of business in that same wee…

no but the people like the developers, clients, government etc. have also the right to exercise their revolt against decisions they don't like as well. don't you think?

like, you get me, the board of directors is not the only actual power within a company, and that was proven by the whole scandal of Sam being discarded/fired that was made by the developers themselves. they also have the right to exercise their right to just not work at this company without the leader they may had liked.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#928

If OpenAI remains a 501(c)(3) charity, then any employee of Microsoft on the board will have a fiduciary duty to advance the mission of the charity, rather than the business needs of Microsoft. There are obvious conflicts of interest here. I don't expect the IRS to be a fan of this arrangement.

I'm a little bit confused, are you saying that the IRS would have some sort of beef with employees of Microsoft serving on the board of a 501(c)(3)?

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#929

Some perspective ... One developer (Ilya) vs. One businessman (Sam) -> Sam wins Hundreds of developers threaten to quit vs. Board of Directors (biz) refuse to budge -> Developers win From the outside it looks like developers held the power all along ... which is how it should be.

It's not like this is the first:

One developer (Woz) vs One businessman (Jobs) -> Jobs wins

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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post #863

I was hopeful for a private-industry approach to AI safety, but it looks unlikely now, and due to the slow pace of state investment in public AI R&D, all approaches to AI safety look unlikely now. Safety research on toy models will continue to provide developments, but the industry expectation appears to be that emergent properties puts a low ceiling on what can be learned about safety without researching on cutting…

There are no emergent properties, just a linear increase in knowledge that can be retrieved. - It can't plan - It can't do arithmetic - It can't reason - It can approximately retrieve knowledge with a natural language query (there are some issues with this, but it's very good) - It can encode data into natural languages and other modalities I'm not worried about it, I am worried about how badly people have misunderst…

This is incorrect. For example the ability to translate between languages is emergent. Also gpt4 can do arithmetic better than the average person. Especially considering the process it arrives at the computation is via intuition basically vs algorithmic. Btw just as an aide the newer models can also write code to do certain tasks, like arithmetic.
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