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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by Difwif »

zamalek wrote: post #388
impulser_ wrote: post #118

I'm guessing this is the end of OpenAI. People aren't going to want to work at OpenAI anymore due to the value destruction that just occurred. It's going to be hard for them to raise money now because of the bad rep they have now. It going to be hard for them to hire top talent. You have two leaders, top engineers and researchers leaving the company. Google and Facebook come in a grab up any top talent that still the…

The Microsoft team going to churn out ChatGPT versions - which are the current valuation-makers. OpenAI is going to chase what comes after ChatGPT, pushing yet another ChatGPT is probably one of the reasons the researchers got fed up. In my opinion. Best outcome for everyone involved.

I think the reality is the opposite. Sam has said that he doesn't think Transformers/GPT architecture will be enough for AGI where Ilya claims it might be enough.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by chx »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #588
soumyadeb wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a good compromise? OpenAI continues to develop core AI offered over API. Microsoft builds the developer ecosystem around it -- that's Sam's expertise anyway. Microsoft has made a bunch of investment in the developer ecosystem in GitHub and that fits the theme. Assuming Sam sticks around. Also, the way the tweet is worded (looking forward to working with OpenAI), seems like its a truce negotiated by Satya?

It's a no lose situation for Microsoft. Either there in house team wins out and Microsoft wins. Or OpenAI wins out and Microsoft wins with there exclusive deal and 75% of OpenAI profits. Better to have two horses in the race in something so important, makes it much harder than one of the other companies will be the one to come out top.

> in something so important,

Much as LLM is essentially industrial strength gaslighting, so is the meta around it.

It's not so important. There's not much there. No it's not going to take your jobs.

I am old enough to remember not only the How Blockchain Is Solving World Hunger articles but the paperless office claims as well -- I was born within a few weeks of the publication of the (in)famous "The Office of the Future" article from BusinessWeek.

Didn't happen.

No, a plausible sentence generator is just that: the next hype.

In fact some of the hustlers behind it are the same as those who have hustled crypto. Someone got to hold the bag on that one but it wasn't the rich white techbros. So it'll be here. Once enough companies get burned when the stochastic parrot botches something badly enough to get a massive fine from a regulator or a devastating lawsuit, everyone will run for the hills. And again... it won't be the VCs holding the bag. Guess who will be. Guess why AI is so badly hyped.

If you think the ChatGPT release happening within a few weeks of the collapse of FTX is a coincidence I have ... well, not a bridge but an AI hype to sell to you and in fact you already bought it.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #896
anonyfox wrote: post #868

Seems like in the minority here, but for me this is looking like a win-win-win situation for now. 1. OpenAI just got bumped up to my top address to apply to (if I would have the skills of a scientist, I am only an engineer level), I want AGI to happen and can totally understand that the actual scientists don't really care for money or becoming a big company at all , this is more a burden than anything else for resear…

That is just a matter of perspective. It's clearly a win-win if you're on team Sam. But if you're on team Ilya, this is the doomsday scenario: With commercialisation and capital gains for a stock traded company being the main driving force behind the latest state of the art in AI, this is exactly what OpenAI was founded to prevent in the first place. Yes, we may see newer better things faster and with better support…

Thinking this is clearly a big win for MSFT is like thinking it's easy to catch lightning in a bottle twice.

There's been a lot of uncertainty created.

It's interesting that others see so much "win" certainty.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by iteratethis »

So we have OpenAI, Microsoft, a whole bunch of capital, and a few "rock stars" moving. And it's these people holding the keys to the AI kingdom where they go to work to achieve AGI.

Finally they got rid of this pesky idea of "safety". We're back in "break things" mode.

Does nobody recognize the stakes here? AGI, which soon would accelerate into something far more capable, ends civilization. I'm not saying it would kill us, I'm saying it makes us cognitively obsolete and all meaning is lost.

AI Safety isn't a micro bias in the training set. It's existential at planetary scale. Yet we let a bunch of cowboys just go "let's see what happens" with zero meaningful regulation in sight. And we applaud them.

I know AGI isn't here yet. I know Microsoft would not allow for zero safety. I'm just saying that on the road to AGI, about two dozen people are deciding on our collective faith. With as ultimate chief the guy behind shit coin "world coin".

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by leftcenterright »

anonyfox wrote: post #868

Seems like in the minority here, but for me this is looking like a win-win-win situation for now. 1. OpenAI just got bumped up to my top address to apply to (if I would have the skills of a scientist, I am only an engineer level), I want AGI to happen and can totally understand that the actual scientists don't really care for money or becoming a big company at all , this is more a burden than anything else for resear…

> reliable operations and support is something I trust them more than most others

With a poor security track record [0], miserable support for office 365 products and lack of transparency on issues in general, I doubt this is something to look forward to with Microsoft.

[0] https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_c...

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by Workaccount2 »

bradley13 wrote: post #574

Sam Altman and Greg Brockman have very similar backgrounds. They are both highly intelligent, both dropped out of college and lack any advanced education. They are classic Silicon Valley entrepreneurs: well-networked, great at fund raising, maybe even good managers. Potential contribution to advanced AI research: zero. What, exactly, does Microsoft want to do with them? Best guess: Use their connections and reputatio…

I too would be salty to see people who didn't fork over $120k to have professors dispense freely available information be successful.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by ethanbond »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #896
anonyfox wrote: post #868

Seems like in the minority here, but for me this is looking like a win-win-win situation for now. 1. OpenAI just got bumped up to my top address to apply to (if I would have the skills of a scientist, I am only an engineer level), I want AGI to happen and can totally understand that the actual scientists don't really care for money or becoming a big company at all , this is more a burden than anything else for resear…

That is just a matter of perspective. It's clearly a win-win if you're on team Sam. But if you're on team Ilya, this is the doomsday scenario: With commercialisation and capital gains for a stock traded company being the main driving force behind the latest state of the art in AI, this is exactly what OpenAI was founded to prevent in the first place. Yes, we may see newer better things faster and with better support…

OAI will still modulate the pace of actual model development though

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by peteradio »

karmasimida wrote: post #234
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #39

I think people underestimate how much of a company’s value is in their key leadership, select talent, and technology. When a company is acquired those are typically the reasons to do so other than pure revenue acquisition. Microsoft already has their technology, now has the key leadership, and will soon have the select talent. Satya wins, OpenAI is walking dead.

Satya really goated here. He takes advantage of this situation and make OpenAI's assets in his control more than ever. He is the genius, scary even.

Pirate more like. He's not just poaching "talent" he has likely stolen IP and will hope to destroy OpenAI in court costs. Microsoft is a terrible company and I hope this backfires on them.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by titzer »

anonyfox wrote: post #868

Seems like in the minority here, but for me this is looking like a win-win-win situation for now. 1. OpenAI just got bumped up to my top address to apply to (if I would have the skills of a scientist, I am only an engineer level), I want AGI to happen and can totally understand that the actual scientists don't really care for money or becoming a big company at all , this is more a burden than anything else for resear…

> 2. Microsoft can quite seamlessly pick up the ball and commercialize GPTs like no tomorrow and without restraint. And while there are lots of bad things to say about microsoft, reliable operations and support is something I trust them more than most others, so if the OAI API simply is moved as-is to some MSFT infrastructure thats a _good_ thing in my book.

OpenAI already runs all its infrastructure on Azure.

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