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Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by soraminazuki »

aniforprez wrote: post #504
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #182

In this situation, do you hire someone to negotiate with or for you? I'm thinking the intention here was to sell the company for $10 million and that came across as a threat because of the language that was used. You would not record the call [1] and then publish it if you actually were blackmailing them for $10 million. I'm not faulting the guy here at all, I just think it comes down to lack of experience in dealing…

> I'm not sure who was on the other end of the call He mentions that it was spez AKA Steve Huffman the CEO of reddit. The call really does sound amateurish and the joke/negotiation tactic/money request/??? was really unprofessional but Steve seems to have completely misconstrued the whole interaction and blown up at him. I would say this is worse of the CEO to use this to spread slander especially when he already apo…

That joke about the $10M wasn't unprofessional at all. If Steve was honest about the $20M per year opportunity cost, he would've instantly agreed to a one time $10M. Then Reddit would gain an additional $20M per year. But it was only a joke because Steve was lying about the $20M opportunity.

Christian is acting in a surprisingly civil manner despite the repeated lies and smears made by Steve and others at Reddit. I see that as being professional.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by bagels »

kanbara wrote: post #124
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

man ain’t gonna get extradited to the us over recording consent. this makes no sense, these are STATE laws. if he is subject to jurisdiction of canada, then legally he is fine. that’s like florida saying they will go to CA and arrest people who have trans kids. they have no legal standing

Nobody said anything about extradition. See kearney v. salomon smith barney.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by bagels »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #141
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

That's not how it works. If the state you are physically in allows 1-party recording, you can record.

California disagrees. kearney v. salomon smith barney

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by bagels »

3np wrote: post #94
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

That's not how that works.

It's how it works in California, where Reddit is domiciled. kearney v. salomon smith barney

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by chaxor »

ryanSrich wrote: post #856
apozem wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feelings exactly. We're all stuck with the official Reddit and Twitter clients now. They're not even good. We know they're not good, but they're now the only place to experience Reddit and Twitter. It's like enterprise software for a whole social network.

I have no idea why, but I can only stand to use reddit in "old" mode. Even on mobile. It's completely 100% unusable in any other format. I've tried to use their app and standard mobile website, but I can't make heads or tails of the hierarchy of content.

Wasn't there something called `teddit` that was written in nim that did a better job of removing all the js crap that makes reddit terrible? I would imagine everyone will just move to that if possible. Although perhaps that may also be affected by their idiotic API charge junk.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by dragonwriter »

elbigbad wrote: post #100
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

Just in case anyone sees this and takes it seriously: this is absolutely not now that works.

Just in case anyone sees the immediately previous response and takes it seriously, the claim “this is absolutely not how that works” is at best dangerously misleading.

“Unfortunately, it is not always easy to tell which law applies to a communication, especially a phone call. For example, if you and the person you are recording are in different states, then it is difficult to say in advance whether federal or state law applies, and if state law applies which of the two (or more) relevant state laws will control the situation. Therefore, if you record a phone call with participants in more than one state, it is best to play it safe and get the consent of all parties. However, when you and the person you are recording are both located in the same state, then you can rely with greater certainty on the law of that state. In some states, this will mean that you can record with the consent of one party to the communication. In others, you will still need to get everyone’s consent.”

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-c...

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by Guest9081239812 »

soraminazuki wrote: post #917
Guest9081239812 wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly a strange call. Hey, you want to charge me $20 million per year, so why don't we make it easy and you just pay me $10 million to go quiet? It's really confusing. He wants Reddit to pay $10 million so he isn't "loud" with API usage? He wants them to buy and takeover the app? He's wants a payment to shutdown? Is he even serious about any of this? I get the impression he lacks the confidence to ask for a…

It's not strange at all. At least the Reddit CEO heard and understood perfectly well what the Apollo dev said in that call and there's a recording to prove that. Your first sentence misrepresents what the Apollo dev said. Actually, it's the exact same misrepresentation that the Reddit CEO knowingly made in public. First off, it's abundantly clear that the Apollo dev wasn't actually demanding money. It was a pointed s…

> First off, it's abundantly clear that the Apollo dev wasn't actually demanding money. It was a pointed statement that revealed the CEO wasn't being honest about the costs.

I disagree, I think the Apollo dev would have happily taken the $10 million.

> Then Reddit would be able to recoup the cost in half a year and gain an additional $20 million yearly. What a great deal, right? Except they both knew that the $20 million price tag was complete bogus.

The $20 million price is irrelevant here. Reddit doesn't need to pay to acquire these users. They are Reddit users (they're registered there, and Reddit knows everything about them). They can close down Apollo and they'll get almost all the users back for free.

If Apollo had a standalone community, then it's easy to calculate the value of a user, and a fair price for acquisition. But, that's not the case here.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not siding with Reddit and I think both sides are losing here due to their poor management.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by imchillyb »

God money, I'll do anything for you ... God money, just tell me what you want me to ... God money, nail me up against the wall ... God money, don't want everything, he wants it all ... God money's not looking for the cure ... God money's not concerned about the sick among the pure ... God money, let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised ... God money's not one to choose ...

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by dragonwriter »

thorncorona wrote: post #145
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

It doesn’t work like this. You are primarily beholden to the laws of the country you live in. Unless you are enough of an issue that the US uses its federal might to clobber you internationally. In that case, you are pretty universally fucked.

> It doesn’t work like this.

It does though.

> You are primarily beholden to the laws of the country you live in.

This is only true to the extent that “primarily” is distinctly different from “exclusively”; in practice, you are beholden to the laws of any sovereignty that chooses to enforce them against you and has a reach that extends to your person and/or property of interest, either territorially, or through agreements (either pre-existing and general or specific to your situation and ad hoc) with other sovereigns, or through the will and capacity to exert force extraterritorially.

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