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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by NickC25 »

Netflix created its own demise, and I think that's been obvious since they started creating, and then cancelling, shows left and right with no ending.

I understand content creation is HARD. Like, really hard. I get it. But their strategy in recent years has been "take aim at dartboard, throw, but as soon as something potentially veers off course, even slightly, run and pull the dart out of the air before it hits the dartboard."

They produce and cancel so much content before the content is mature that it turns people off.

Keep in mind Netflix originally grew because they had all the content, and now everyone worth watching has their own platform.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#922

Post by _fat_santa »

NickC25 wrote: post #921

Netflix created its own demise, and I think that's been obvious since they started creating, and then cancelling, shows left and right with no ending. I understand content creation is HARD. Like, really hard. I get it. But their strategy in recent years has been "take aim at dartboard, throw, but as soon as something potentially veers off course, even slightly, run and pull the dart out of the air before it hits the…

I can't help but draw parallels from how Netflix manages their content to how Google manages their products. I listened to a podcast where they explained the economics of why Netflix is doing this and it's basically because they have to pay fees to keep the show up. This causes a similar pressure that seems to felt inside of Google, if something is not a smash hit right out the gate, kill it. But as we saw with Google, this is not a viable long term strategy, you save money in the short term, but in the long term people stop using your products / watching your shows because it might be gone tomorrow so why bother.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#923

Post by NickC25 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #922
NickC25 wrote: post #921

Netflix created its own demise, and I think that's been obvious since they started creating, and then cancelling, shows left and right with no ending. I understand content creation is HARD. Like, really hard. I get it. But their strategy in recent years has been "take aim at dartboard, throw, but as soon as something potentially veers off course, even slightly, run and pull the dart out of the air before it hits the…

I can't help but draw parallels from how Netflix manages their content to how Google manages their products. I listened to a podcast where they explained the economics of why Netflix is doing this and it's basically because they have to pay fees to keep the show up. This causes a similar pressure that seems to felt inside of Google, if something is not a smash hit right out the gate, kill it. But as we saw with Googl…

I think their hangup is, because they have SAG/Unionized actors/actresses, that they actually have to pay higher fees per each subsequent season (season 2 actors get paid more than season 1, season 3 actors get a bump from season 2) so eventually all but the most hyper-profitable shows get cancelled, and even then, some of the most popular ones still get cancelled because said show eventually becomes unprofitable after season 5 or 6 even if like 75% of the entire customer base is watching the show.

It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Netflix's addiction to data and revenue optimization becomes their demise.

I think with the money they have, Netflix should try producing a show that has 1, or 2 seasons, and has a concrete ending with little to no room for another season....and see how it does. People will invest time into something that they know has a definitive ending....but won't if they know the show might be canned and the story is left on a cliffhanger.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#924

Post by taeric »

shkkmo wrote: post #895
taeric wrote: post #840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And to me this reads as petulant redefining of terms in the hopes of pulling a gotcha. To be clear, the portability afforded with streaming services is nice. And I'm all for taking advantage of it. But household has always been the combination of a physical house and a social group in it. To claim otherwise is silly. Can you find other uses of the term that does this? Even "family" is typically constrained to immedia…

> And to me this reads as petulant redefining of terms in the hopes of pulling a gotcha You are the one doing the petulant redefining. > But household has always been the combination of a physical house and a social group in it. To claim otherwise is silly. Not true. Household has a well established meaning that you are trying to redefine. The referent of "household" is a social group and does not include the house i…

My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. The definition posted above has family/social unit and house/dwelling unit. Reading that as one of those being plural is awkward and feels flat out in bad faith to conversation.

Now, I will fully cede that Netflix has redefined their terms and are also at fault in this whole fiasco. They are the ones that tried to build on the back of goodwill by allowing a much more open sharing policy than anything else was ever capable of doing.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by ilyt »

mdrzn wrote: post #892
hedora wrote: post #852

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish consumer protection laws applied to cell phone providers. I shopped around a while back, and walked into an AT&T, TMobile, and Verizon store. They all had big ass signs in the front window saying $25/month per line (with a bunch of fine print that can't be read from outside the store). Of course, none of them will honor that pricing. Also, none of them actually publish their prices. The best I got was some han…

This sounds insane and I'm incredibly happy for the situation we have in the EU. You see "9,99€ / month" for a mobile plan? That's the full price they will take from you each month, no more. Only exception being the home fiber lines, which start at 24,99€/month but progressively increase every couple months to reach upwards of 30€/month.

>Only exception being the home fiber lines, which start at 24,99€/month but progressively increase every couple months to reach upwards of 30€/month.

I haven't seen that but I have had marketing phones where they insistently tried to upsell me on random shit ("security protection") or to increase bandwidth (I had 300Mbit/s, they wanted to sell me 600Mbit/s)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by ilyt »

nickpp wrote: post #882
aaronblohowiak wrote: post #851

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... which is the person our governments should be optimizing for..

Isn't it in the consumer's best interest that the creator is also happy and well compensated as well and that a fair, competitive ecosystem of middle-men (distributors) exists?

Most of the money is going to middlemen tho. That's the problem.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by the_af »

tekknik wrote: post #912
the_af wrote: post #894

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Yes, but the real problem are rising licensing costs, not account sharing.

That has always been a burden. If customers want something then the person selling it sets the price.

That's just a description for Netflix predatory tactics. Their narrative is "against account sharing" (which was historically allowed by them) but the problem is actually "rising licensing costs", so their actual enemy is not users but content owners.

The narrative is important. It's important to reframe this as Netflix going against the less powerful side.

Also, I celebrate this has already cost them 1 million users in Spain alone. I hope this backfires on Netflix globally.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#928

Post by shkkmo »

taeric wrote: post #924
shkkmo wrote: post #895

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And to me this reads as petulant redefining of terms in the hopes of pulling a gotcha You are the one doing the petulant redefining. > But household has always been the combination of a physical house and a social group in it. To claim otherwise is silly. Not true. Household has a well established meaning that you are trying to redefine. The referent of "household" is a social group and does not include the house i…

My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. The definition posted above has family/social unit and house/dwelling unit. Reading that as one of those being plural is awkward and feels flat out in bad faith to conversation. Now, I will fully cede that Netflix has redefined their terms and are also at f…

> My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that.

Then maybe you should have spent some time looking before so strongly asserting something that is flat out wrong. Go look at some definitions. There are plenty of legal definitions, in addition to dictionary ones, that clearly contradict your take.

The key element is shared residency and living expenses. The number of homes owned is not relevant.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#929

Post by mboehm »

DeathArrow wrote: post #896
hedora wrote: post #852

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish consumer protection laws applied to cell phone providers. I shopped around a while back, and walked into an AT&T, TMobile, and Verizon store. They all had big ass signs in the front window saying $25/month per line (with a bunch of fine print that can't be read from outside the store). Of course, none of them will honor that pricing. Also, none of them actually publish their prices. The best I got was some han…

I pay 5 euros for 5G plan with unlimited calls and almost unlimited Internet. You can even take 4 plans for 2 euros each at promotion. :) And 10Gbit FTTH from the same provider is just 12 euros. :)

Which country/provider is that?

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#930

Post by anonymousiam »

copperx wrote: post #911
gnicholas wrote: post #697

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That's not what GP said. GP complained about having to pay as if there were multiple households benefiting, when it's actually just one household, albeit a wealthy one. If NFLX said "we're going to start charging rich people more, based on zip code," there would be a revolt. I would assume it's not their intention to try to "go after" this segment and make them pay more (since it's a small portion of their users, and…

> If NFLX said "we're going to start charging rich people more, based on zip code," there would be a revolt. Revolt? Price discrimination is illegal.

Tell that to the California power companies:

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/income-based-electric-r...

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