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Re: GPT-4

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Post by sleigh-bells »

bagels wrote: post #890
hooande wrote: post #584

After watching the demos I'm convinced that the new context length will have the biggest impact. The ability to dump 32k tokens into a prompt (25,000 words) seems like it will drastically expand the reasoning capability and number of use cases. A doctor can put an entire patient's medical history in the prompt, a lawyer an entire case history, etc. As a professional...why not do this? There's a non-zero chance that i…

A doctor doesn't do this because of ethics and HIPAA. I'm sure lawyers aren't so keen on sharing privileged information that would compromise their case either.

For legal research, lawyers already use third party sites like Westlaw. You can do legal research without giving up any confidential client information.

I just asked GPT-3 a research question that took me hours of searching back in the day and it returned the single seminal case for that topic immediately. As long as the lawyers then actually read the case and make sure it's right, I don't see why they can't use it.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by maxdoop »

oska wrote: post #835
maxdoop wrote: post #265

The comments on this thread are proof of the AI effect: People will continually push the goal posts back as progress occurs. “Meh, it’s just a fancy word predictor. It’s not actually useful.” “Boring, it’s just memorizing answers. And it scored in the lowest percentile anyways”. “Sure, it’s in the top percentile now but honestly are those tests that hard? Besides, it can’t do anything with images.” “Ok, it takes imag…

I will continually push back at the concept of 'Artificial Intelligence'. It's a science fiction conceit, a fantasy, and I don't think it is ever possible to achieve (creation of an actual artificial intelligence). And people who do think tat are, imo, fantasists. That being said, in the field of machine learning there are significant things being achieved. I was wowed by DeepMind's AlphaZero and its achievements in…

This begs several questions -- one of which being, "what is intelligence, then?"

Re: GPT-4

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Post by varshar »

russellbeattie wrote: post #599

This is a pretty exciting moment in tech. Pretty much like clockwork, every decade or so since the broad adoption of electricity there’s been a new society changing technical innovation. One could even argue it goes back to the telegraph in the 1850s. With appropriate caveats and rough dating, here’s a list I can think of: Electric lights in 1890s, Radio communication in the mid 00’s, Telephones in the mid 10s, Talki…

Very astute.

May I suggest replacing Commercial Radio with Cryptography for the 1930's (between the Wars)

Re: GPT-4

#924

Post by lock-the-spock »

hooande wrote: post #584

After watching the demos I'm convinced that the new context length will have the biggest impact. The ability to dump 32k tokens into a prompt (25,000 words) seems like it will drastically expand the reasoning capability and number of use cases. A doctor can put an entire patient's medical history in the prompt, a lawyer an entire case history, etc. As a professional...why not do this? There's a non-zero chance that i…

The lawyer can enter their entire brief and get back the brief the other side's lawyer uploaded in her own brief an hour earlier.

No one can trust the AI.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by adamhp »

oska wrote: post #835
maxdoop wrote: post #265

The comments on this thread are proof of the AI effect: People will continually push the goal posts back as progress occurs. “Meh, it’s just a fancy word predictor. It’s not actually useful.” “Boring, it’s just memorizing answers. And it scored in the lowest percentile anyways”. “Sure, it’s in the top percentile now but honestly are those tests that hard? Besides, it can’t do anything with images.” “Ok, it takes imag…

I will continually push back at the concept of 'Artificial Intelligence'. It's a science fiction conceit, a fantasy, and I don't think it is ever possible to achieve (creation of an actual artificial intelligence). And people who do think tat are, imo, fantasists. That being said, in the field of machine learning there are significant things being achieved. I was wowed by DeepMind's AlphaZero and its achievements in…

You can kind of prove it is possible, can't you? I mean, we have ourselves, which we're sort of claiming is the ground truth comparison to "intelligence". You can then see that the average human actually have limited intelligence, when you look at say, savants or hyper-intelligent people. Then it must be that some physical structure of people's bodies enables this higher degree of intelligence, and removes the "limit" so-to-speak. The average brain has 86 billion neurons, which we know are mostly responsible for piecing together consciousness.

We also have extensive studies on all the ways we are actually really bad at processing input (a by-product of our primate ancestral heritage). There are entire textbooks on all of the different biases we have built-in. And there are clear and obvious limits to our perception, as well (I'm thinking of the five senses here).

Imagine you're neither constrained on the input side or the processing side of this equation. It becomes kind of a mathematical inevitability that we will be able to create artificial intelligence. When anything can be tokenized and act as an "input", and we can run that through something that can process it in the same way that our brains can, only scaled up 10-fold (or more)...

If there is one thing we're good at, it is thinking that we are the center of the universe. I think that is blinding people to the possibility of AI. We can't fathom it, for lots of good and bad monkey reasons.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by random_cynic »

haldujai wrote: post #743
aabajian wrote: post #456

I'll be finishing my interventional radiology fellowship this year. I remember in 2016 when Geoffrey Hinton said, "We should stop training radiologists now," the radiology community was aghast and in-denial. My undergrad and masters were in computer science, and I felt, "yes, that's about right." If you were starting a diagnostic radiology residency, including intern year and fellowship, you'd just be finishing now.…

As another radiologist, I'm not sure how you can say this with a straight face? If anything the minimal progress that has been made since Hinton made this claim should be encouraging people to pursue radiology training. As with other areas of medicine that have better AI (interpreting ECGs for example) all this will do is make our lives easier. AI is not an existential threat to radiology (or pathology for that matte…

You're in denial. That's okay, everyone is too.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #813
hooande wrote: post #584

After watching the demos I'm convinced that the new context length will have the biggest impact. The ability to dump 32k tokens into a prompt (25,000 words) seems like it will drastically expand the reasoning capability and number of use cases. A doctor can put an entire patient's medical history in the prompt, a lawyer an entire case history, etc. As a professional...why not do this? There's a non-zero chance that i…

> As a professional...why not do this? There's a non-zero chance that it'll find something fairly basic that you missed and the cost is several cents. Everyone forgets basic UI research. "Ironies of Automation", Bainbridge, 1983. The classic work in the space. Humans cannot use tools like this without horrible accidents happening. A tool that mostly works at spotting obvious problems, humans start to rely on that too…

This is such a great point.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by throwaway743 »

00F_ wrote: post #705
Sol- wrote: post #288

Interesting how quickly we are pushing ahead with obsoleting human cognition. It may bring many benefits, but I wonder if at some point this development should not be decided by society at large instead of a single well-funded entity that is in an arms race with its competitors. This endeavor is ultimately about replacing humanity with a more intelligent entity, after all. Might be that more humans should have a say…

every other day i am reminded about the state of AI and i feel complete despair. why do people not realize exactly what you just said, that this endeavor is ultimately about replacing humanity? what other long-term result could the concept of AI possibly have? its like the biggest mass psychosis that has ever existed. whenever i talk to people about this, they always parrot the same thing almost word for word: people…

It's always been an end goal for capitalist systems. Not for or against it, just stating.

Re: GPT-4

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Post by [deleted] »

hooande wrote: post #584

After watching the demos I'm convinced that the new context length will have the biggest impact. The ability to dump 32k tokens into a prompt (25,000 words) seems like it will drastically expand the reasoning capability and number of use cases. A doctor can put an entire patient's medical history in the prompt, a lawyer an entire case history, etc. As a professional...why not do this? There's a non-zero chance that i…

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Re: GPT-4

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Post by random_cynic »

oska wrote: post #835
maxdoop wrote: post #265

The comments on this thread are proof of the AI effect: People will continually push the goal posts back as progress occurs. “Meh, it’s just a fancy word predictor. It’s not actually useful.” “Boring, it’s just memorizing answers. And it scored in the lowest percentile anyways”. “Sure, it’s in the top percentile now but honestly are those tests that hard? Besides, it can’t do anything with images.” “Ok, it takes imag…

I will continually push back at the concept of 'Artificial Intelligence'. It's a science fiction conceit, a fantasy, and I don't think it is ever possible to achieve (creation of an actual artificial intelligence). And people who do think tat are, imo, fantasists. That being said, in the field of machine learning there are significant things being achieved. I was wowed by DeepMind's AlphaZero and its achievements in…

> I'm less impressed by OpenAI's GPT-x because I don't think it's very useful technology

Living in that sort of bubble must be very uncomfortable. Companies from virtually every category are pouring money in OpenAI starting with Microsoft. Just go and take a look at their partners and which field they belong to.

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