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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by KronisLV »

lelanthran wrote: post #897
KronisLV wrote: post #835

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can all but guarantee that you're using, daily, some tool that is free. Why aren't you paying $5 a day for it? Because nobody has been crafty enough to capitalize on that market, or is unable to provide a sufficiently convincing alternative that would attract people to it. For example, I can get by with something like mRemoteNG for tabbed SSH sessions: https://mremoteng.org/ It's kind of quirky but works. Someone…

> For example, I can get by with something like mRemoteNG for tabbed SSH sessions: https://mremoteng.org/ > It's kind of quirky but works. Someone else might appreciate something like the excellent MobaXTerm more, which adds multi-execution capabilities, a GUI for port forwarding and much more: https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ ... > Someone might laugh, but there's a project out there that attempts to commercially crea…

> But here's the rub - all those people whining about how cheapskate developers are because they don't want to shell out $5/day for ChatGPT/IntelliJ/Whatever aren't deriding people who are not using these paid for replacements.

> It's only ever the people using IDEA or Visual Studio or similar who develop superiority complexes over their choice of rentals.

Hmm, that's an interesting point, though I feel that sometimes we forget two aspects of software development (or also game development, to take a popular hobby as an example as well):

  - developing software (and games, too) is hard and takes a lot of time and resources of all kinds, more so than most people realize
  - many of these projects are only ever profitable (or even sustainable) because of being able to attract large audiences
Sometimes I'm stunned at indie games that are sold at 10 - 20$ and people are still up in arms about it being "too much", when the drink or meal that they enjoyed didn't take thousands of hours to create (although possibly is only cheap because of subsidies for certain ingredients, but that's besides the point), whereas software or a game did. The same goes for developers that want all of their software to be free, as if it should fund itself, albeit I also appreciate the free software movement.

It's more visible when you see post-mortems about how much indie creators struggle even if the projects themselves are well made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUsuusNLxik (first example that jumped in mind), though I'm sure that it happens to a lot of startups out there as well, that end up folding.

With that in mind, I can almost understand why people would be a bit upset that a demographic that's generally reasonably well off (developers) scoff at products that seem reasonably priced, especially when considering how much work has gone into them. Though personally, I think a bit more kindness could go around even then.

Organizations being too spending-conservative and not wanting to invest into tools that would both improve productivity and reduce stress is just puzzling (if you don't just explain it with ignorance, or greed).

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by nashashmi »

ranting-moth wrote: post #876

While ChatGPT is totally and utterly awesome, I need to have confidence in it's answers before I pay $20/month for it. It will also need to drop its patronizing politically correctness, which is not going to happen with Microsoft having a stake in it.

It is better to require a minimum baseline of what it can do. And be aware of what it is trying to get better at.

ChatGPT has too many possibilities right now. And I am not sure how best to leverage it. If I am going to pay for something, I want to know precisely what it is good at in my use cases.

So far I have understood it is good at "writing". It may not be very good at knowing everything, or letting me know what it does not know. So I will give it information for it to write about.

I also understand it is somewhat good at understanding code and outputting code. This is fascinating and needs greater research. I need to understand exactly how it learns to read code and output code. If it is simply statistical predictions, then I will also understand that it will get the same exact things wrong that everyone else gets wrong. Or that it only knows and spits out information based on what others have done. This is like a heavily enhanced google for code. "Google, give me coding that will sort arrays based on the following letter ordering system." Or "Give me a regex that will highlight only the information in the following cells."

Lastly, I think it may be useful as a debating tool where I proposition a theoretical argument or define new information, and ask it if it contradicts any mainstream information, and if any niche thinkers and researchers fall into the same agreement.

I don't think it is good as an "engineer". (Mind you, I consider myself a "natural" engineer, not "trained" engineer). I have a knack for looking at a system and intuitively knowing how it was designed and where it most likely fails. I doubt the gpt can do this on its own. And I wonder if it can mash various ideas together and engineer new solutions.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by s3p »

PedroBatista wrote: post #91

$20 seems reasonable. I wonder how are they going to deal with "unreasonable intensive usage" aka people/companies offering "AI" in their products when in reality they just act as a proxy between people paying them ( sometimes a lot of money ) and OpenAI.

That runs through the OpenAI API, which is priced based on usage.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by anileated »

kokanee wrote: post #149
PedroBatista wrote: post #91

$20 seems reasonable. I wonder how are they going to deal with "unreasonable intensive usage" aka people/companies offering "AI" in their products when in reality they just act as a proxy between people paying them ( sometimes a lot of money ) and OpenAI.

$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

> we're handing the power to replace human work over to those who can afford to pay

Consider that this power works by consuming copyright-protected work done by unwitting contributors without any opt-in, creating derivative works from it and charging the users without acknowledging the authors.

In addition to being illegal, it plain discourages open information sharing—since anything you publish, regardless of license, is consumed and monetized by OpenAI in an automatic fashion. I.e., if people have no reason to read what you write or buy your books when they can just ask an LLM for the same information (which LLM had obtained from your writing), there is no motivation for you to publish.

When do we start considering this illegal? Not LLMs, of course, but for-profit operated LLMs created by mass scraping of copyright-protected data.

> Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too.

Google acts fairly though: it directs the searcher to you. Imagine if at any point Google stopped doing that and just started to show you regurgitated computed contents in response to your search, without ever telling you who authored the info. Everyone would be up in arms on day 2 if they did it; why do we forgive OpenAI and Microsoft when they do essentially that?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by adamsmith143 »

johtso wrote: post #401
m463 wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

I think there's also an argument to be made that $20 per month is a bigger deal than some people realise. The issue isn't just _that one_ specific subscription you're paying for. The issue is how they all accumulate over time.. and eventually you find that your metaphorical bucket of money has turned into a leaky sieve. Not to mention all the services you forget to unsubscribe from even though they've ceased to provi…

On a website where the majority of people are SWEs living in HCOL areas where their daily lunch and coffee is probably $20+ the argument against a $1/day productivity tool seems lacking.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by eloff »

extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

Is there any advantage to this over copilot?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by JaggerFoo »

Signed up gave credit card can't use. No specific path to chatGPT paid version, only a link that goes to a page that says full wait till later.

Not what I expected from using chatGPT for free.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by adamsmith143 »

davesmylie wrote: post #684
manmal wrote: post #603

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, ChatGPT also has a psychological benefit. It makes me feel like there’s someone that I can fall back on when I‘m stuck. It might be wrong (often the bot is not super helpful), but this is not about rationality.

I'm finding ChatGPT may be wrong, but it's answers are often enough to point me in the right direction - particularly when I'm working in a new domain where I'm not yet experienced enough to be able to ask google the right questions. Previously I'd fall back to asking in a forum and getting a (tbf) much better answer a few hours or days later, but ChatGPT may be enough to point me in the right direction in a few minu…

If I'm at work and stuck on a problem I can hardly afford to wait around for a few days to be unblocked by a lucky forum answer.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by adamsmith143 »

evrydayhustling wrote: post #752
johtso wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's also an argument to be made that $20 per month is a bigger deal than some people realise. The issue isn't just _that one_ specific subscription you're paying for. The issue is how they all accumulate over time.. and eventually you find that your metaphorical bucket of money has turned into a leaky sieve. Not to mention all the services you forget to unsubscribe from even though they've ceased to provi…

Let's say you make $10 / hr. To break even, a $20 tool needs to save you 2h a month. Divided over 20 workdays and it must save you 6m per day. If a tool can't save you 10-15m per day, it doesn't deserve a "throughout the day" slot IMHO. Which isn't to say that ChatGPT fits that bill for me - I think it requires too much supervision to save time. But people are too cheap about genuinely useful tools.

If anyone on this site working as a Dev is making 10/hr I question whether they can even navigate to the ChatGPT website by themselves in the first place. At a real number like 50/hr you only need to save 1.2 minutes per working day for it to break even. Which is trivially easy. You could save that by having ChatGPT write your emails for you alone.
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