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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by tomrod »

andy_ppp wrote: post #731

If you’re on the right this is proof that Twitter is out of control and stole the election from Trump. If you’re on the left these are boring internal emails discussing what to do about hacked laptop information released at an optimal moment to smear a presidential candidate because of things done by his son. I’m more inclined to believe number 2 but then I would be wouldn’t I. I don’t really think there’s something…

> If you’re on the left these are boring internal emails discussing what to do about hacked laptop information released at an optimal moment to smear a presidential candidate because of things done by his son.

This is the default position. Your classifier would be better suited as "if you're susceptible to right-wing propaganda and disinformation" versus not.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by polygamous_bat »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #451
starkd wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story is in how anxious they were to fit it into a hacked material case. Because there was no other existing mechanism in which to do it. (They claimed it in the emails Taibbi referenced.) They admit it was not tenable, because first amendment issues were specifically raised by Rep. Mo Khanna.

It wasn't tenable because the hacked materials policy is for doxing not journalism. Many of the biggest stories broken by NYT and WaPo over the decades have come from hacked/leaked materials. The policy was never meant to prevent these kinds of stories.

So we should let NYPost publish nudes of anyone and everyone they want to, just because? And no one is allowed to call them out on that because Free Speech?

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by tomrod »

Dig1t wrote: post #94
michaelgrosner2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None, because the government shouldn’t be interfering in speech.

The whole point of this is that government is already interfering in speech. This one specifically is pretty strong IMO (Biden team telling Twitter to manipulate speech): https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064 Yes yes, someone has already said something about one of them being a dick pic, remove that one, whatever. But do you think they are ALL dick picks? This email is one out of many.

> The whole point of this is that government is already interfering in speech.

Nah. The point of this is right-wing propaganda.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by Abimelex »

Any TLDR; here? What's the big fuzz about it? Was just skim reading it and the point seems to be that content moderation at twitter used to be done by individuals which might be influenced by a political opinion. Is there anything more to it?

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by ngetchell »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #443
romellem wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read your own source? The Biden team never asked Twitter staff to “handle” anything. They forwarded tweets that [violated twitter’s ToS][1], a Twitter staff member forwarded them for review, and at that point the reviewer said they “handled these.” That’s what content moderation is supposed to do! [1]: https://twitter.com/parkebench/status/1598841731763810304

"Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Tweets?"

The revenge porn pictures? They violate the ToS and is illegal in most states in America.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by nickthegreek »

chrisbaker98 wrote: post #727
MBCook wrote: post #393

There is another way to look at this. So Elon posted today he would drop important inside info about the Hunter Biden story the right wing loves so much. And they seemed thrilled and are now debating the “new” info. That’s an interesting turn from yesterday when that same group was pissed at him for going back on his free speech/no censorship claims when he kicked Kanye off. How surprisingly lucky for him he did some…

> going back on his free speech/no censorship claims when he kicked Kanye off. What's Elon done here that's inconsistent or hypocritical? He's never claimed to be a free speech absolutist (no-one is a free speech absolutist), nor did he say he was going to turn Twitter into a free-for-all for anyone can post anything with no moderation. Kanye posted literal Nazi content; he clearly violated Twitter's stated policies…

I’m seeing many reports from left and right sources back in April that specially stated that he is a self described free speech absolutist.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by kcplate »

andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

> So... doesn't seem like a big deal, this is just confirming what was already known?

Yes, most of this was known…but the big (ugly) revelation is that it confirmed something that was suspected—Primarily the direct coordination with the Biden campaign to suppress the story and lock specific accounts that referred to it.

FWIW, by saying “we updated our hacked materials policy but we will not retroactively apply it to the event that required the update”, I think Twitter rubbed salt into a wound they created. It basically underscored that they were content to play a part in the current election manipulation (likely because of the big baddie they opposed) even though they knew it was wrong enough to change the policy.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by dehrmann »

acdha wrote: post #860
dehrmann wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't look good that a lot of credible media outlets had to walk back their stances on the Hnuter Biden laptop and lab-origin covid. Both proved to be plausible enough that they never should have been censored or suppressed.

It’s useful to read what the media actually wrote at the time rather than how Republicans portray it. I’ve included a number of links below but the main thing which is obvious is that coverage was dominated by the questions of authenticity and especially the challenges of not having a forensic trail which wasn’t tainted by Giuliani, who was so unreliable that even Fox News warned reporters not go trust him. A lot of…

I agree that the story of the laptop is sketchy. First, it's surprising it was abandoned. The shop owner just happened to have horrible eyesight and couldn't actually identify Biden. Then Biden doesn't collect the laptop, and the owner, rather than wiping it and selling it, eventually gets it to Trump's lawyer?

When the Washington Post finally looked at it, it was pretty tainted, and about the only conclusion you can draw is that there are some authentic emails on it, but that doesn't make the device authentic.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by lazyeye »

nathias wrote: post #691
cm2187 wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These policies were always a pretext. The two major social networks blocking the same story at the same time citing different policies that are obviously inconsistently applied (did Twitter block the story about Trump's leaked tax returns? Did facebook block Biden when he claimed that covid would be gone once everyone was vaccinated?). These emails show twitter executives puzzled by the application of those policies.…

the life of a politically inconvenient story: 1. it's conspiracy theory 2. it was obvious to everyone 3. forgotten

It's amazing how easy it is for the media to make something a conspiracy theory, no matter how important or factual. Just dont talk about it.

Effortless.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by acdha »

dehrmann wrote: post #928
acdha wrote: post #860

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s useful to read what the media actually wrote at the time rather than how Republicans portray it. I’ve included a number of links below but the main thing which is obvious is that coverage was dominated by the questions of authenticity and especially the challenges of not having a forensic trail which wasn’t tainted by Giuliani, who was so unreliable that even Fox News warned reporters not go trust him. A lot of…

I agree that the story of the laptop is sketchy. First, it's surprising it was abandoned. The shop owner just happened to have horrible eyesight and couldn't actually identify Biden. Then Biden doesn't collect the laptop, and the owner, rather than wiping it and selling it, eventually gets it to Trump's lawyer? When the Washington Post finally looked at it, it was pretty tainted, and about the only conclusion you can…

Or even if the device is authentic, every bit of data has to be assiduously validated because there’s known evidence of modifications after it left the repair shop. DKIM signatures did that for some emails but a lot of stuff has no obvious path to validate like that and now the repair shop guy is expressing concern, too:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni...

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