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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by dd36 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #849
dd36 wrote: post #846

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The info on Russia gate is public record in courts, the special counsel report, inspector general report, etc. Russia supported Donald Trump.

I mean Russia Gate in the conspiratorial Trump as Russian agent sense, which seems unsupported by evidence. But yes it seems clear that he was Russia’s preferred candidate, though it’s unclear to me whether that made any measurable or meaningful difference. Failing to campaign in the upper Midwest or rust belt as a democrat seemed like an avoidable self-own.

The hacked and leaked DNC and Podesta emails and corresponding fever dreams of cheese pizza meaning child porn and all the other nonsense definitely affected some people. The DNC emails and conspiracies pushed on the left made a lot of Bernie voters sit out. It all adds up. Our national security infrastructure should actively combat that kind of foreign interference.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by shepherdjerred »

balls187 wrote: post #914
shepherdjerred wrote: post #854

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How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I didn’t really care about your point about Kanye, I can more about people sowing division.

> How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I'm all for having discussions across the aisle--so to speak. But not with racists, homophobes, anti-Semites, misogynists, etc. You want to talk to me about abortion being a crime, I'll be respectful, and I'll even share my own personal story related to abo…

I think I agree with you. The republican party has started holding some pretty strange beliefs.

It seems that everyone defaults to hating republicans (or democrats) with no rooms for understanding. Taking this stance is only going to make reconciliation harder, or worse, impossible.

Unless we can have actual discussions with republicans, we're not going to have a democracy for much longer. As it is many republicans think our democracy is gone, and hating on them isn't going to help that.

> I do think the ones who believe Biden stole the election are idiots.

This is something I have a lot of trouble with. I don't think that it was stolen, but how can you or anyone really be sure? I imagine it's much easier for a republican to believe when all conservative news sources make it sound like their very way of life is threatened 24/7.

Many Christians (which tend to be republican) truly believe that the US is actively persecuting them and that Democrats want to make some godless state.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by ch4s3 »

dd36 wrote: post #921
ch4s3 wrote: post #849

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean Russia Gate in the conspiratorial Trump as Russian agent sense, which seems unsupported by evidence. But yes it seems clear that he was Russia’s preferred candidate, though it’s unclear to me whether that made any measurable or meaningful difference. Failing to campaign in the upper Midwest or rust belt as a democrat seemed like an avoidable self-own.

The hacked and leaked DNC and Podesta emails and corresponding fever dreams of cheese pizza meaning child porn and all the other nonsense definitely affected some people. The DNC emails and conspiracies pushed on the left made a lot of Bernie voters sit out. It all adds up. Our national security infrastructure should actively combat that kind of foreign interference.

> It all adds up

Does it? The DNC definitely conspired against the Bernie campaign, that’s a fact and they got caught.

The pizza gate nonsense seems like a random chance event. How often do crazy conspiracies for 4chan actually go mainstream?

MSNBC was actively peddling their own nonsense at the time, like the pee tape conspiracy. It was a weird time in American politics.

Two horribly unlikeable and pathological liars were competing and one of them failed to campaign in Michigan.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by balls187 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #919
balls187 wrote: post #913

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> I am not defending radicals...I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion. And how is this not radical? https://www.justice.gov/crt/recent-cases-violence-against-re...

Should I post some links about young white males shooting up schools and conclude that all young white males are radical? Do you truly believe that every (or every most) republicans are radical?

Chris Rock covered this in 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzPfmBTKc7A&t=85s

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by balls187 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #922
balls187 wrote: post #914

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I'm all for having discussions across the aisle--so to speak. But not with racists, homophobes, anti-Semites, misogynists, etc. You want to talk to me about abortion being a crime, I'll be respectful, and I'll even share my own personal story related to abo…

I think I agree with you. The republican party has started holding some pretty strange beliefs. It seems that everyone defaults to hating republicans (or democrats) with no rooms for understanding. Taking this stance is only going to make reconciliation harder, or worse, impossible. Unless we can have actual discussions with republicans, we're not going to have a democracy for much longer. As it is many republicans t…

> I don't think that it was stolen, but how can you or anyone really be sure?

There has been no evidence brought forth any all the legal challenges that show it was stolen.

State election officials (both democrats and republicans) have said the results are accurate.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by philjohn »

casefields wrote: post #798
philjohn wrote: post #631

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Got some examples of right wing discussions that have been moderated?

Lab leak. Got you banned all over the place to discuss until it turned out to be legit. Oops.

Discussing, or claiming that it was definitely a lab leak? Because the former should be fine, and encouraged, the latter, until it's proved either way, is disinformation.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by dd36 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #923
dd36 wrote: post #921

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hacked and leaked DNC and Podesta emails and corresponding fever dreams of cheese pizza meaning child porn and all the other nonsense definitely affected some people. The DNC emails and conspiracies pushed on the left made a lot of Bernie voters sit out. It all adds up. Our national security infrastructure should actively combat that kind of foreign interference.

> It all adds up Does it? The DNC definitely conspired against the Bernie campaign, that’s a fact and they got caught. The pizza gate nonsense seems like a random chance event. How often do crazy conspiracies for 4chan actually go mainstream? MSNBC was actively peddling their own nonsense at the time, like the pee tape conspiracy. It was a weird time in American politics. Two horribly unlikeable and pathological liar…

It’s not random chance to be hacked then have your emails woven into malicious conspiracies. It’s a crime.

The DNC favored the Democrat over the independent. That’s to be expected. The voters picked Hillary. The conspiracy that it was stolen from Bernie was pushed by Russia. It’s literally public record in the Mueller report. I don’t recall if Russia started it but that’s irrelevant. A large organized foreign propaganda machine can seize on something like that and push it far. Russian agents still run many Bernie Reddit and Facebook groups. Just follow r/ActiveMeasures.

Increasing Hillary’s dislike and distrust was very clearly a goal of foreign operatives. It worked.

You cannot point to any one thing and know for sure it was the difference maker. Trump barely won. Any one of 6 things that served to suppress the vote may have made the difference.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

nwienert wrote: post #824
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

This is gross slander. This is a black man who is a unicorn in two industries. One of the most successful black people of all time. Who is fighting to establish black ownership in those industries. Here’s his latest full interview where he goes into detail on what he’s been saying. I highly encourage you to watch at least the first 20 minutes: https://odysee.com/@ArchAngel:e/Ye-on-The-Media-The-Kardashi... “I respect…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by tremon »

AlexandrB wrote: post #742
cwkoss wrote: post #596

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She's a no-talent clown who bought her way into the public view with nepotistic wealth. She heavily uses photoshop on her pictures, and then sells beauty products to insecure young women to profit off the insecurities her digital media team helped manufacture. Her brand is basically just 'stupid and rich' - not someone I'd ever want any of the young women I care about to idolize. Her fame is a shame of American socie…

> She heavily uses photoshop on her pictures, and then sells beauty products to insecure young women to profit off the insecurities her digital media team helped manufacture. This describes the whole "beauty" industry. I think this might be a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game". There are also plenty of other celebrities whose success amounts to appearing on some reality TV show and building an empire off…

don't hate the player, hate the game

I think it's perfectly sensible to hate the players that perpetuate the game. It's nothing more than a very weak version of the Nuremberg defense.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by tremon »

lowkeyokay wrote: post #545
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #427

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If we're talking overall influence, it's Dr. Dre and then everyone else can get far back in line. Kanye likes to claim that his music wasn't about gangster rap and that's why he was sidelined for... a couple years... meanwhile, Dre not only made NWA and Snoop Dogg but managed to convince the entire rap world that a poor white kid with drug problems and abuse issues was the next huge thing by doing things that nobody…

Kanye’s 808 & Heartbreaks has been claimed by many rappers from the 2010’s and onwards to have been a major influence. He really went all in on autotune and introspective lyrics. I much prefer Dre but his influence is waning.

from the 2010’s and onwards

his influence is waning

The specific claim was "the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time". For that claim, I don't see a good reason why the last decade should weigh more heavily than the decades before.

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