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Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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I’m a long-time small phone Android user. But after the Pixel 5, I have not been able to find a suitable small Android replacement. The Pixel 6 is gigantic, and the Pixel 7 looks like it is also destined to be huge. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve resorted to using an iPhone Mini, biding my time and hoping desperately that some Android OEM would step up. But it’s increasingly clear that a small premium phone is not on t…

When I broke my Pixel 5, I bought another one, even though the Pixel 6a was out at that point.

The Galaxy S22 has a similarly-sized screen, but the EU version is rubbish.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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I’m a long-time small phone Android user. But after the Pixel 5, I have not been able to find a suitable small Android replacement. The Pixel 6 is gigantic, and the Pixel 7 looks like it is also destined to be huge. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve resorted to using an iPhone Mini, biding my time and hoping desperately that some Android OEM would step up. But it’s increasingly clear that a small premium phone is not on t…

If you can make a phone I love as much as my Pebbles, I'll buy nothing else, forever. I guess confirming there's a market for it is the first step.

My phone requirements haven't changed much in the last ten years. I bought one of the first "phablet" phones with a comically oversized 5" screen that got me ribbed by friends ("compensating for something eh mate?") Now 5" is at the bottom of the available size range. I'm a smallish person/manlet and don't need a phone I'm going to drop, but I do need something big enough that I can reliably type on it.

I'll gladly support your endeavor. Thanks for taking the initiative.

edit: fine with me to make the phone thicc so it has a day+ battery life. A little thicker is far easier to hold on to, anyway!

edit2: I did own a Pixel 6 non-XL for about a day. It was large, but the bigger problem was that I found it incredibly topheavy, which made it difficult to hold on to. I swapped for a used 4a 5G, which is a well-balanced midsized device.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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It's not going to happen. The only people who like small form factor phones are tall men. Every other demographic still needs two hands for a 5" phone and thus opts for more screen real-estate almost all of the time.

5" is still too big though. The iPhone SE screen is a fine size at 4.7"

iPhone 8/se is the same size as a mini isn't it? Just smaller screen. Personally 5" screen size is one hand usable for me. It's. Little stretch for one corner but otherwise it's fine.

I've just resided myself at this point. Sticking with a bigger phone. Currently enjoying 3 day battery life off one charge with my mid range Samsung.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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Hi Eric, I'm a hardware startup guy myself (our paths have crossed) with the distinction that my own "very specific set of skills" has been honed at smartphone megacompanies and smartphone startups. OSOM, Essential, HTC, Samsung, Apple. I've designed and built a lot of phones. I'm building one now. I think this is a noble effort, I personally prefer pocketable phones too, but I think there are nigh-insurmountable hur…

All the comments about how it will be too expensive and difficult to source unusually sized parts make me wonder how they make something like the Hammerhead Karoo for $400 - an android device with a 3.2" sunlight readable reflective screen (supposedly even more expensive), custom software. etc. Is the market for a bike computer so much larger than that for a smaller phone? I don't think they're burning VC, it was crowdfunded IIRC.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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The "1st gen" SE is the same size as the 5, still available from e.g. Amazon for $100–$200, and runs the current iOS very well if a little slowly.

I ran those for many years but unfortunately the batteries are old and seem to only last a year these days

running with 1st gen se since fall 2018: battery is still at 95%

replacement kit from ifixit is available thou

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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I'm still running the Sony Xperia Compact Z1. Have upgraded it twice with an iPhone 7 and a OnePlus. Gave both away away to people who enjoyed them WAY and WAY more than I did.

Think I'm going to carry my Z1 till it literally stops working. So far, I can still do 1 to 1.5 days with my battery easily.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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I’m a long-time small phone Android user. But after the Pixel 5, I have not been able to find a suitable small Android replacement. The Pixel 6 is gigantic, and the Pixel 7 looks like it is also destined to be huge. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve resorted to using an iPhone Mini, biding my time and hoping desperately that some Android OEM would step up. But it’s increasingly clear that a small premium phone is not on t…

I think than some two of the prerequisites are the real problem :

* Great cameras

* Stock Android OS

There are plenty of recent small smartphones with a display under 6". But most of them use Android Go and a not-great camera. I have recently tested one, the Logicom Le Wave, a 60€ phone with a 4" display sold in Europe.

During my test, i have find Android Go 11 very reliable. It's even more easy to avoid using Google applications and to not link the phone to a Google account (by using F-Droid & Aurora Store) than Stock Android. There are also nice features for managing battery usage. That said the two cameras are indeed crap (but i do not take photos with a phone, for this i use a real cameras). My main problem with this phone is that it's also bad for... phoning: I mean than the sound quality is crap too.

I was probably unlucky with my choice, but there are plenty of alternatives for 4" to 6" smartphones. Search for "teenage" or "unbreakable" phones.

If the real objective is to have a light phone, who fit nicely in the pocket, than can be used one-handed and who won't fall out of the pocket while bicycling, then this sort of phones are perfectly fine. So my question is why the need of a good camera and stock Android ?

(For the main point, i agree with you, smartphones are becoming ridiculously too big)

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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No bad. I don't want those iritating headphone wires. Also a phone that doesn't mind being dropped in water, so no headphone jack please. Notch is not really an issue, front facing camera is useful for video-calls. And i don't have a camera bump, that's solved by the case. Also, no idea what i'd do with memory cards, there's plenty memory in the my phone. The iphone 13 mini works well for me. No idea if this represen…

> Also a phone that doesn't mind being dropped in water, so no headphone jack please. People have somehow managed to forget this, but phones have been waterproof since ... basically forever without forgoing a headphone jack. I could link probably half the phones made between 2012-2017, but this phone is actually linked by the site itself: https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/16/9549247/sony-xperia-z5-r... Honestly, I'm n…

I've never dropped a phone in water either, but what I did do was ride a motorbike in heavy rain with the smartphone as GPS and no case around it.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone

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If you are on HN, you likely use a computer a lot. But 15 years ago, a switch occurred, and nowaday, there are way more people using a phone that don't have a computer at home, or use it rarely.

This means for the vast majority of people today, and hence customers, the phone IS the computer. It's the entry point for everything.

They consume content, shop and even work on that.

But phones have terrible ergonomics. Their productivity sucks.

One of the reason is the limited screen space.

For someone using a phone, mostly as a communication device, while doing important things on a computer, a small phone makes sense. I'm this kind of person. My phone is too big for my taste. Anything complicated, I reach for my laptop: it's more efficient. Phones are terrible at multitasking, and constraint myself to 2 finger typings, tabs that open in several steps and a viewport of the size of 2 credit cards?

But we are not the target.

For the target, a big screen is the mandatory crunch they need because they watch a lot videos, do banking, read pdf and even type work stuff on their phone. This tiny, constrained square they have to make do with for everything.

It makes small screen a hard sell. The iphone mini was not a great success if we compare it to other phones, despite everybody claiming we would all love it.

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