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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by wolverine876 »

dehrmann wrote: post #897
wolverine876 wrote: post #693

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> before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations? I suspect the president of Purdue does it more, given the international nature…

> How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations? Close in the sense that his successor as Indiana Governor was Mike Pence. I almost want to say the only reason Daniels wasn't in that spot was timing.

I don't think what someone's successor does has any impact. My successor in my old apartment became a brilliant chef; does that help my cooking?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by PastelDeNata »

OJFord wrote: post #887
spcebar wrote: post #31

Response from the student: https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/ri95tp/in_response_...

I'm confused by the last paragraph, out of my own naïveté, do HKers 'identify' as 'Chinese' then, just not 'from China'? I suppose it's not surprising when someone's when someone adopts their parents' culture etc. despite being born abroad (e.g. self-describing as Indian without being a citizen/born there) - so makes sense, I just hadn't realised.

> do HKers 'identify' as 'Chinese' then, just not 'from China'?

If they were born in HK and raised there, they would call themselves a HKer (香港人) from Hong Kong. It's highly unlikely they would say they are from 'China' because in their eyes China is Mainland China (大陆/中国) and there is negativity associated with it.

Confusingly, my friends whose parents are from Hong Kong and were born in the UK identify themselves as 'British Born Chinese' rather than 'British Born HKer'.

I use Cantonese or English when in Hong Kong. Speaking Mandarin there, when you look East Asian, is just asking for trouble if you are in wrong part of town.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by PastelDeNata »

justicezyx wrote: post #496
dfxm12 wrote: post #261

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Have you met them at a $30k+/yr university? I think that's an important piece of context here. The current Chinese system affords these students the ability to go to prestigious universities abroad. Things are going good for these students, so why wouldn't they like the government that grants them such privilege? Folks who've immigrated for other reasons might have a different experience...

Does Chinese government pay the tuition for these students? That sounds like too good to be true.

The vast majority of students from China in western countries pay out of their own pockets, i.e. their parents saved up or their family are wealthy.

Don't get confused with the CSC who mainly give scholarships (tuition, accommodation, stipend) to non Chinese nationals to study in China.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Rygian »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #613
Rygian wrote: post #141

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As an European citizen, yes I am profoundly glad these effects exist. Error 418 means, to me, that the website is disappointed it cannot exploit my personal data without my consent. Good riddance.

Honest question: How do you feel about your (i)phone being a permanent cookie? It aggregates all your information. Is anything being prepared for that?

I contribute monthly to https://noyb.eu/ and am following their initiatives in that regard [1].

[1] https://noyb.eu/en/project/advertising-ids

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by rendall »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #413
rendall wrote: post #338

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Nah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.

This is a silly, shamefully obvious straw man. No one is saying “Americans uniquely shouldn’t have to parse other countries’ laws”, the argument is “it’s ruggedly impractical for ordinary citizens of any country to parse the laws of other countries”.

> the argument is “it’s ruggedly impractical for ordinary citizens of any country to parse the laws of other countries”

Julian Assange and Kim Dotcom and myriad less famous individuals will be relieved to hear it.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by PastelDeNata »

bostonsre wrote: post #654
dfxm12 wrote: post #261

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Have you met them at a $30k+/yr university? I think that's an important piece of context here. The current Chinese system affords these students the ability to go to prestigious universities abroad. Things are going good for these students, so why wouldn't they like the government that grants them such privilege? Folks who've immigrated for other reasons might have a different experience...

I don't think I met any in college who spoke about their thoughts about the CCP. But yea, it definitely seems plausible and very likely that there are a proportion that are grateful to the CCP for the opportunities they are given. I would be extremely curious about the ratio that is thankful to the party versus thankful that they've escaped.

> I would be extremely curious about the ratio that is thankful to the party versus thankful that they've escaped.

Escaped? Lolololol.

If China is as bad as the western mainstream media or some of those anti-China YouTube channels make it out to be, then all of those Chinese students (middle class or above) that studied in western countries would do whatever they could to stay but the majority go back to China to live and work.

Of all the Chinese friends I made in China, some are not satisfied with the CCP, mainly to do with the issue of free speech/censorship and that you cannot criticise the CCP openly. I would say the majority love their country, including the ones that studied in western countries.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by rendall »

splitstud wrote: post #643
rendall wrote: post #338

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Nah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.

No its literally about avoiding the morass of legal compliance as best you can, whenever and wherever.

The "compliance" is quite simple. Don't do this thing. Don't collect personal information without permission. Very, very simple.

If you do collect personal data, with permission, it's only slightly more complicated. Let the individuals control their data, including deletion. Don't do anything with it without permission. Again, not hard to understand.

The "morass" is for people who are gonna try anyway. "Well, what about if we bury the permission under exhausting legalese?" No, that's unlawful. "What if we collect it but obfuscate it?" Not without permission. Etc.

So, "compliance morass" is not an argument. It's an extremely simple law.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by t0suj4 »

vmception wrote: post #190

Getting the actual opinion of anyone in China (or Hong Kong if you’re a worker and well integrated) is very difficult. There is a lot of reading between the lines necessary because of the network of reporting from other Chinese that’s worldwide. Note: those actual opinions are not necessarily “life is baaaad what a niiightmare”, they can be quite nuanced just like anywhere else. Something as simple as “I kind of like…

The Chinese officials see law as a tool to control masses. Their constitution is therefore no more than a piece of paper.

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

mikewarot wrote: post #445
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #317

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You're kidding, right? I was hoping after so many years it's clear. GDPR is about personal information. First, if you have no way of linking the IP to personal information, it does not apply. Second, even if it's linked (as in a web store etc.), storing it is perfectly fine! You just need to clearly state what information you store and for how long. Everybody, also in the EU, are storing IP addresses. Everybody. Even…

Why risk getting entangled in weird foreign laws that might still have consequences here? The simplest solution is the best, just say no thanks in a simple redirect.

I understand why some people might be afraid of the risk. My point is that since you already implemented the code to detect EU customers, you could as well decide to not to set cookies rather than block them. In terms of complexity it's basically the same, but you get the benefit of increased exposure.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

quartz wrote: post #420
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #292

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> they have to deal with the GDPR headache What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. Purdue solution: when EU visitor is detected, block them.

> What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. The headache is convincing someone to pay a lawyer to agree that this is the solution when serving content to the EU is outside your publication's mission. Also: The Exponent isn't Purdue, it's independent. Purdue chose email as their publication medium.

The GDPR is about personal data. It can get complex when you actually start to deal with personal data. You need to notify users, enable them to modify their data and so on. For many platforms this is already very easy or built in, for some like ERP systems it was quite complicated.

Fortunately there exist a very simple solution: don't gather personal data. Note that it does not necessarily applies to cookies: they are considered personal data only if they can be used to identify the individual.[0] There is exactly zero chance anybody would go after you if you don't set cookies or set them for reasons other than making personal identification possible.

[0] https://www.itgovernance.eu/blog/en/how-the-gdpr-affects-coo...

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