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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by oreilles » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:05 AM UTC

mihaaly wrote: post #917

That notch thing will put me off! Ugliest impractical thing causing additional efforts and potential troubles unnecessarily. Avoiding iPhones with that, will do the same with laptops. And that magsafe -> no magsafe -> magsafe again disarray! Come on, make up your f mind. I held off buying new computer looong, did not want to leave MagSafe, it recently died so was forced into USB-C charging, which I did not want at al…

You can blame Apple for having made dumb decisions in the past, but you can't blame them for fixing them now. Also, what additional efforts and problems with the notch are you talking about ?

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by darkcha0s » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:06 AM UTC

mihaaly wrote: post #917

That notch thing will put me off! Ugliest impractical thing causing additional efforts and potential troubles unnecessarily. Avoiding iPhones with that, will do the same with laptops. And that magsafe -> no magsafe -> magsafe again disarray! Come on, make up your f mind. I held off buying new computer looong, did not want to leave MagSafe, it recently died so was forced into USB-C charging, which I did not want at al…

No matter what changes apples implements (even if its reverting to things people wanted back), people like you will always find a way to complain. Having used an iphone for a while, the notch really isn't noticeable, and I'd trade it for having a thick black border at the top any day.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by fiznool » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:08 AM UTC

nharada wrote: post #53

Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

This was my biggest concern too, that my £300 dock would be rendered instantly obsolete. It’s nice that I could still plug these new pros into a dock with a single usb-c cable and have charging, multiple displays and usb connectivity all with one cable.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by top_sigrid » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:12 AM UTC

necovek wrote: post #916

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

> HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. They don't say it anywhere, but I hope HDMI inclusion is for the 2.1 version's increased bandwidth (even over TB4), potentially allowing for single-cable 8k at 60Hz.

Citing the technical specs this [1] says it's only HDMI 2.0. The spec [2] only says "4K bei 60 Hz", so i guess that's right.

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/macbook-pro-hdmi-2-0-po...

[2] https://www.apple.com/de/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by rStar » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:13 AM UTC

d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

notch bothers me a lot. i was ready to buy, and i hope all you guys enjoy, but i’ll be sitting the notch out. it was one thing on a phone. this is just dumb.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ksec » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:15 AM UTC

diebeforei485 wrote: post #645

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Agree- I have been largely disappointed by USB-C. It's been okay as a smaller USB-A replacement for flash drives and mice, but in general the lesson of USB-C is: just because it fits, doesn't mean it works. My personal favorite annoyance is how chargers and cables are advertised with the wattage they support, but it's really the voltage and current that matters. If you have a device that wants 20W as 9V/2.22A , your…

Its time to tell the somewhat unpopular story again. ( Because USB-C Supporters hate it )

Trying to help a lawyer out and trying to explain why the $5.00 USB-C cable he'd bought from Amazon wasn't delivering 4K video to his expensive monitor AND powering his laptop too.

Me: OK: so its a USB-C cable, but its not a high data rate USB-C cable.

Him: But, its a USB-C Cable.

Me: but, no, not all USB-C cables are high speed cables. And some of them can't do high speed and power delivery

Him: but... its a USB-C cable: it plugs into the port.

Me: Um... just because it plugs in, doesn't mean its going to work. You can have USB-C cables that are actually slower than the old USB ports.

Him: but.... shouldn't it just work?

And so on. For... 15? more minutes? maybe 30? I finally got him to buy a "proper" belkin USB-C cable . Which was bought from a company that should be anonymous, but lets just say that a "refurbished" cable was shipped, which, surprise, surprise ,didn't work, for ANYTHING. This basically sums up everything that is wrong with Tech thinking vs User Thinking.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by rStar » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:17 AM UTC

theory: the notch is apples way to keep people from taping over the webcam, a few percentage points. who benefits from less tape, at population scale, on a little used but programmatically controllable camera?

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ksec » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:29 AM UTC

piokoch wrote: post #918

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

I am very curios about this laptop thickness topic. I understand that going from 3 cm laptop to 2 cm is a noticeable difference and might have some practical effects. I can believe that 3cm laptop does not fit the bag well, but 2cm does. But here we go from 1.8cm to 1.55 cm, does this make any practical, visible difference?

It does. If you have an old MacBook Pro 2015 and MacBook Pro 2016+ the difference is quite noticeable.

But the trade off from 1.8cm to 1.55cm is subject of your personal opinion. In a perfect world we would want a 1.55cm laptop with the same heat removing capability as the 1.8cm.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by can16358p » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:38 AM UTC

rStar wrote: post #925

d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

notch bothers me a lot. i was ready to buy, and i hope all you guys enjoy, but i’ll be sitting the notch out. it was one thing on a phone. this is just dumb.

It's just an addition, it doesn't remove any real estate from existing screen. Have a dark/black background/strip around on top and it should solve the issue. Sure not ideal, but solvable.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ksec » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 8:42 AM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #736

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

I am glad to see the return of magsafe (and having two USB ports in addition to the power cord)... but if that's the only reason I really prefer the new 14" macbook pro to the much cheaper 13" (that extra "inch" is $800!) The lower cost machines used to get power and HDMI as separate ports to two USBs.... I wonder if future lower-priced machines will again, if this is a trend... The extra ports are literally the only…

Probably need a few more days to let all the information sink in. But generally speaking Apple tends to simplify their product lineup over time. So I would not be surprised if there will be a 14" M1 Pro with 8GB Memory and 256GB Storage starting at $1499 in the future once they amortised some of the cost with higher price model. As mentioned in the post below, if you know BOM cost and list out things on the new 14/16" MBP the price is actually quite competitive.

The more interesting question is what happen to the sub $1299 price category. MacBook Air or MacBook? And how would it be designed?