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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by lugged »

civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

That was the expectation but we later found they travel around the body and particularly build up in bone marrow and your ovaries if you have them.

They also are technically "toxic" but you need to take that word with a grain of salt. The damage is still far less than what the virus will cause if you catch it without the vaccine.

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Post by 0x000000001 »

lugged wrote: post #921
civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

That was the expectation but we later found they travel around the body and particularly build up in bone marrow and your ovaries if you have them. They also are technically "toxic" but you need to take that word with a grain of salt. The damage is still far less than what the virus will cause if you catch it without the vaccine.

Citations please

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by jonnat »

b7bfcdeaab33 wrote: post #914

Heard this anecdotally from the following link, can't confirm it: Youtube had taken down a video from the creator of mRNA, Dr. Robert Malone. http://www.padrak.com/coronavirus/Dr.%20Sean%20Brooks%20at%2...

This piece from The Atlantic has another view and more info on Malone's claims. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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IgorPartola wrote: post #76
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

Yes our freedoms are being eroded. It’s a slippery slope. All that bullshit. Come on. A private company doesn’t want to contribute to people dying. Oh and by the way don’t they have the right to do what they want? You want what, regulation to prohibit this?

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by talaketu »

tshaddox wrote: post #882
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

It sounds like both you and your mother have both adopted an epistemology that incorporates the perceived amount of censorship, lies, and coercion performed by proponents of some claim into your discernment of the truth value of that claim. Namely, you both seem to have adopted some level of doubt about pro-vaccine claims because you both perceive that proponents of pro-vaccine claims participate in censorship, lies…

You over-fit the "fallacy of irrelevance". This is my feeling about the Monty Hall problem: The fact that Monty is now offering me the option to take make chances and switch to the other door, after I have chosen this one, when he knows which door actually has the prize, does seem relevant to which door has the prize.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by strogonoff »

JeremyNT wrote: post #737
ookblah wrote: post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

> Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Social networks seem to be unable to optimize for anything other than "engagement," which inevitably leads to amplifying compelling but technically incorrect and outright dangerous content. The thing to remember is that Yo…

I agree that adding human reviewers could help; but it will not resolve the root cause of YT being designed to boost disinformation in the name of engagement.

It’s encoded in their business model: the paying customer and the source of revenue is the advertiser. Thus, their interests are radically different from those of the users.

I believe there is something fundamentally wrong about such models, especially applied at scale, that I would not even oppose some light, focused regulation that brings it in check.

Otherwise, adding human moderation could maybe help in short term but the business model with find its way to ruin things again.

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Post by hncurious »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

If it was called the Trump Vaccine and he was mandating it, this whole thing would be flipped. It's that simple.

It has been tribal from the start and still is. We all know this is how things work at this point. It's not as based in science or rational arguments as it is based on motivated reasoning and confirmation bias.

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Post by JasonFruit »

whiddershins wrote: post #779
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

But is free speech dependent on YouTube being a platform for complex discussions between knowledgeable people on a topic? Maybe YouTube doesn’t want that role. Maybe we can have a sci-debate website that does want these discussions, and maybe that site could tailor the feature set for exactly this purpose. Maybe it would focus on citation and annotation features like thinkspot or Spotify or genius. Maybe the site cou…

I'd agree that YouTube isn't designed for useful debate. That being the case, I'd rather see them say they won't allow discussion of vaccines at all, rather than promote one viewpoint and suppress all others. That seems like a less troubling way to handle a disputed topic: opt out, don't pontificate.

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Post by ip26 »

civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead of a large amount via the virus?
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