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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wrycoder »

wearywanderer wrote: post #785
rootusrootus wrote: post #743

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To be fair, some of these features are available on the recently released hybrid, as well. What I would like to figure out is if it can actually backfeed the home with 240V split phase power. That would be a seriously big deal if it could, it's not a common generator feature as it is. I'm skeptical, but they did claim it could transition from charging to supplying the house and back to charging when the power returne…

Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... but not in the way you mean. It can be done safety, but when done incorrectly (if the house isn't removed from the grid first) it can kill linemen. It's a good thing most generators a homeowner might causally buy at the hardware store don't have this feature. Unfortunately I've seen male-to-male extension cords sold online for this purpose. I think thes…

I assume Ford’s lawyers are all over this, as the liability is immense, and Ford has deep pockets.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by thallium205 »

gibspaulding wrote: post #686
1970-01-01 wrote: post #585

Why is snowplowing absent on all the EV trucks? Are they not capable of the heavy duty use or is the market not ready to buy them?

I'd imagine the weight and traction control would make an EV truck great for plowing. Their marketing team must be based in So Cal and unaware of the use case. /s

Nah that's bad use case for it. Batteries don't work well in cold and all that extra weight would make probably halve its range.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wrycoder »

jrsj wrote: post #416
seem_2211 wrote: post #383

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I would be really interested in understanding the breakdown in F150's as sold by model number. For a lot of truck owners, there's going to be some resistance because they love having a v8 engine etc. I don't see those people moving over quickly (although they might be swayed by the acceleration/speed). But if you're using one as a tradesperson, this seems like an absolute no-brainer. You're not driving enormous dista…

Many new trucks have used turbo V6s instead of V8s for awhile now. There’s definitely some buyers who just want the sound of a V8 or don’t quite trust the reliability of a twin turbo BUT I think more people would be open to electric than you would think, even in people primarily just using them for transportation

I keep my vehicles a long time. I wouldn’t buy a turbo. When they fail, and they will, it’s super expensive. V8s have been around for a century, and they are very reliable.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mlac »

VLM wrote: post #787
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Ah yes, that's a good point. Other than tall or dirty objects, is there any reason to get a truck? Genuinely curious, because at some point I'll have kids and wonder what the trade-off is between minivan (more people) and truck (more hauling) is with an electric vehicle.

There's a certain lifestyle aspect where my high school friend dropped a pulled junkyard engine in the bed of his truck and shoved it into place and strapped it down and he doesn't care about the interior of his truck bed, its "outdoors" for hauling "outdoors" rated objects. Technically my wife's van could carry that engine very easily but the process would almost certainly destroy the carpet and leather seats and ma…

Yeah I have a U-Haul nearby and can rent a bench seat pickup with an 8 foot bed for <$100 to do what I need to do around town. I have to keep this in mind when looking at trucks and trying to justify the utility aspect. $50K is a lot to pay for convenience and I don’t regularly tow anything…

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wrycoder »

notJim wrote: post #660
cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #577

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree- this is really going to be a big deal, especially with how large the F-150 EV battery is (150kWh). For comparison, the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback has a 66KWh battery with a similar range as the F-150, which makes sense, because the Bolt is much lighter and aerodynamic. The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max…

This info seems a little out of date at this point. This is a map of 120 kW+ Electrify America charging stations from PlugShare: https://i.imgur.com/1dcM6UX.png . I agree we need more, but I don't know if it feels right to say there are "very few", when they line most of the major interstates. > These typically charge at 50kW until the battery is at 80% capacity, then slow down to 10kW or so. I'm not sure where you'r…

Only five in New England?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by 34679 »

N00bN00b wrote: post #847
fastball wrote: post #842

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Why do you think the F-150 Lightning will be cheaper to repair than the Cybertruck?

Cybertruck is unpainted (or varnished) stainless, isn't it? Means that you can't fix small dents with filler, have to swap panels instead.

But you can hit the door with a sledge hammer and not have any minor dent to repair. (Just a window)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mlac »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #763
rhodozelia wrote: post #728

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I don’t think not needing a portable generator on small construction sites is going to be a big driver of sales. Sales will be driven by the same factors as Tesla’s, no c02 emissions, don’t have to buy gas. Everything else is bonus

Most people buy pickups currently probably don't really think CO2 emissions are a big deal, but perhaps there's an undiscovered pickup market that Ford's going to tap into; perhaps an urbanite who normally wouldn't consider a pickup but thought the Cybertruck looked interesting.

I’m a Subaru driver who wants my next car to be electric or hybrid electric… this appeals to me. I’ve liked trucks before but I have not been able to justify the cost. Pretty much all EVs are in the same ball park now (40K-50k for dual motor), so it’s going into the comparison against a model 3, model y, and others that will be on the market at that time.

The F150 itself has great features (quiet ride), then pile on the new stuff here (a good bed cover is $1k+ and no longer needed with the frunk, the acceleration).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Kerrick »

fma wrote: post #911
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

I don't think many people will be driving an EV Ford F-150 cross country. Minivan...yes. SUV yes. Work truck, not likely. If people have the occasional need to drive cross country, just rent a gas vehicle till the infrastructure is there. Till then it's just fear mongering causes a slower adoption of EV, which means a slower rollout of a national network.

One of the things I need a truck for is to tow a trailer with cows inside to (and back from) a facility that can extract eggs, implant embryos, etc. Unfortunately, that route doesn't follow any interstate highways and is about 180 miles each way. I'd absolutely LOVE to tow them with an electric truck and eliminate emissions from the picture. I've been eagerly awaiting something like the Cybertruck/Lightning, but until they get MUCH more mileage or hot-swap batteries I just can't make the switch. There is one fast-charge station in the middle, but none near the destination--and even if there was, I can't add charging stops with a trailered cow.

I agree that overselling the importance of uncommon use cases is a hindrance to EV adoption in general, but this is a pickup truck. The purpose of a pickup truck is to handle the uncommon use cases. It's fair to criticize this specific EV for not being good at the things that you must have a pickup truck to do.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jcims »

Someone1234 wrote: post #580
JeremyNT wrote: post #565

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I think it could be quite useful in construction, food trucks, events - any situation you normally see generators. However, even better for that kind of stuff would be a hybrid with a smaller battery, but a generator in the frunk (sort of like the Volt).

I agree that would be even better. Unfortunately I don't think such a vehicle exists yet , while hybrids and even plug-in hybrids are common, they aren't designed to be used as power stations/offer multiple 110v outlets. This new F-150 is rare in that the manufacturer actually supports its usage like this. If you use a Tesla as a glorified battery they will actually void your warranty.

New f-150 hybrid has (up to) a 7.2kW generator with 120/240 outlets in the bed. This would probably be a better option for most commercial applications than the electric.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Gracana »

analog31 wrote: post #425

I'm happy to see this. It's the most popular vehicle, so it will reach a large audience. Also, at least in my imagination, work trucks are a perfect use because they are used locally and parked on the job site. So the range and need for a charging station might not be impediments. My pet peeve is that vehicles are getting bigger in general, and I don't need a big vehicle. An F150 won't fit in my garage. An amusing an…

Hah! I recently bought a brand new truck, and while I haven't been quite that bad about it, I did find it painful to put scratches into the pristine paint. A week or so ago I had to hide my pain as my friends helped me load a pair of truck axles and transmissions and transfer cases into it. It's pretty well broken in now, and I'm getting over it. I think I'll let it go a while longer like this, then clean it up real good and get it lined.
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